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To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?

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Fiftypencepiece · 24/05/2024 13:02

AIBU to be worried that within 2-3 years of a Labour victory, the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian hell-scape?

Kier Starmer seems like a mad, leftist radical to me. It starts with VAT on school fees but where does it end???

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Anyone else?

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DontStopMe · 09/11/2024 10:36

BIossomtoes · 09/11/2024 10:30

Applying for jobs and getting them are two entirely different things. 🤷‍♀️

You might very well have experience and qualifications, but if they don't match the available jobs you can be rejected for being over-qualified, and for being likely to leave when something more suitable turns up.

BourbonsAreOverated · 09/11/2024 10:37

IClaudine · 09/11/2024 10:29

Not generally, no.

1.2 million people came to the UK in 2023. Only a fraction of those were asylum seekers who were put up in hotels etc. 56,000 were in hotels as of September 2023.

The hotels are an expensive cost But the amount the asylum seekers receive is minimal. If their hotel provides food they get £8.86 a week if they are not it’s £49.19.

lets not forget some of the hotel cost comes back in tax, and offers employment.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/11/2024 10:41

therealcookiemonster · 02/06/2024 15:09

Fiftypencepiece · 02/06/2024 14:57
Is UC the free money helpline?
yes.
freshly harvested from the magic money tree by illegal immigrants taking jobs from hard working white English families

Just stop with the nonsense peddling. Illegal immigrants are not allowed to work.
They are not illegal, they are awaiting processing. If at that point they are not granted leave to remain, they become illegal and are required to leave.
If they are granted leave to remain, they are not illegal and are then free to work - which is all that most immigrants desperately want to do - and to apply for citizenship if they want to. Which the majority do. My husband is in hospital arm, seriously u well. He is being cared for by people of every sling colour imaginable I am immensely grateful and thankful for them.

No one is taking jobs from anyone. Here on the nw coast most businesses as well as advertising in the usual ways have actual signs up saying “we are recruiting”. They cannot fill their vacancies. They are offering above living wage.

Your last sentence says it all. “White English families”. You do realise that there are many, many non-white skinned English people. What’s your problem with them? Their skin colour, obviously. You are a racist, plain and simple.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/11/2024 10:42

Skin not sling 🙄

Changed18 · 09/11/2024 11:25

I would have thought increasing the minimum wage, as per the last budget, would reduce the amount the state has to pay in benefits to people who are in work. Will be interested to see what happens there.

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/11/2024 19:48

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 10:05

I’m at the point where I think we need better incentives to work and take responsibility.

I don’t want children to suffer, but perhaps parents shouldn’t be excessively helped. Perhaps they should have food and clothing parcels instead of money. Whatever it takes to get people back into work and the welfare bill down.

I realise that’s not a popular opinion, but the problem is getting worse. And I’m sick of working and seeing not no benefit….but not the benefit I want to see for the effort I put in.

I want a government who won’t give money away willy nilly. Millions on migrant hotels, transport fees around London.

I sound cruel. I understand. But twenty years ago I felt better off than I do today and I can only see it getting worse with the attitude to welfare.

Why not just bring back the workhouses and have done with?
Who gets to decide between the deserving and undeserving poor.

The bloody victorians figured out it was no way to run a society, I struggle to understand how people think that's a good thing to aspire to. Or would you be thinking of the Indian model, with kids picking through the rubbish and sleeping on the streets?

I thought we were beyond this.

taxguru · 09/11/2024 19:56

Changed18 · 09/11/2024 11:25

I would have thought increasing the minimum wage, as per the last budget, would reduce the amount the state has to pay in benefits to people who are in work. Will be interested to see what happens there.

Yes, maybe for those who keep their jobs. But what about the ones who lose their jobs when their employers either close down or make redundancies as they can't afford the NMW increase AND the increase in employers NIC rate, AND the extra £615 per employee because of the reduction in NIC threshold AND increase in business rates, on top of last year's increase in corporation tax, higher utilities costs, etc. And remember it's not just their own costs they have to pay for, all their supplies, overheads, etc increase too because their suppliers and service providers also have to increase prices to cover their additional costs of NMW, ER, etc etc. It's the multiplier effect. NMW increase won't help people because inflation will rise to cancel it out!

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 23:40

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/11/2024 19:48

Why not just bring back the workhouses and have done with?
Who gets to decide between the deserving and undeserving poor.

The bloody victorians figured out it was no way to run a society, I struggle to understand how people think that's a good thing to aspire to. Or would you be thinking of the Indian model, with kids picking through the rubbish and sleeping on the streets?

I thought we were beyond this.

We’ve gone too far the other way. Now too many people use benefits for too long. Some even as a lifestyle.

Our benefits bill is eye watering. It’s unsustainable without increasing taxes on working people, which is grossly unfair.

I’m not a socialist, I don’t want to live in a socialist country and quite frankly, I’m not responsible for the choices of other people, so I don’t want to pay for them.

I’m not rich by any means. My mortgage is ginormous and my bills make me feel sick. If I’m short one month, unable to afford to replace my shoes, I don’t get any help. No one pays my bills. There’s nothing for it but to struggle on until the next month. I live pay check to pay check. I work (at the moment) 5 days a week and am exhausted all of the time.

So apologies, but my priorities aren’t to make other people’s lives more comfortable when I see them not doing an awful lot for themselves.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 09:05

Our benefits bill is eye watering.

Most of it’s pensions. Maybe you’d like to cull the over 70 population? Job done. And if you think your life’s tough financially, try living on benefits for six months.

pointythings · 10/11/2024 10:09

We’ve gone too far the other way. Now too many people use benefits for too long.
Which of course is nothing to do with the way the previous government gutted our health service, leading to years long waiting lists. If you want people to be able to work, you make sure they are well enough to work.

Some even as a lifestyle.
This is a statement that requires evidence. And anecdotes about your family members will not suffice.

What alternatives do you suggest? Letting people starve on the streets? That will lead to increased crime - is that what you want?

I’m not a socialist
Wanting people to have a roof over their head and food to eat is not socialist. It is common human decency.

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:13

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 09:05

Our benefits bill is eye watering.

Most of it’s pensions. Maybe you’d like to cull the over 70 population? Job done. And if you think your life’s tough financially, try living on benefits for six months.

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My life should not be tough financially. I have worked my whole life. Started my first weekend job at 14 and have always worked since then. Saw myself through uni with three jobs. Then immediately got a full time position and that’s what I’ve done since.gradually going up the ranks.

I should have a great standard of living for what I do and my pay. But I don’t, because of successive shit governments freezing my pay, freezing the personal allowance, increasing tax burden.

Whilst they’ve dished money out to their pals, handed billions out in furlough, given benefits to people who arrive in the country illegally every day, allowed many more people to claim disability for mental health…that’s seen inflation, interest rate rises and stagnated growth. All that affects how well I can live, what I can afford.

I don’t trust Labour to put hardworking people first. They will continue to grow the welfare bill whilst needing to find the extra money somewhere. All whilst accepting hundreds of thousands in gifts for themselves.

Which is why I’m not positive about this government. That is my reason for how I responded to the op. I’m disillusioned, frustrated, angry. So my next vote will go to a party that tells me that their priority will be the people who keep this country running. There is no one that can tell me that I’m lucky to be able to work and earn - I’d rather be at home watching day time Tv to be fair.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 10:23

I notice that my point about the bulk of the welfare budget being pensions has been conveniently ignored. Too difficult to address @Llhaaf?

pointythings · 10/11/2024 10:26

Whilst they’ve dished money out to their pals, handed billions out in furlough, given benefits to people who arrive in the country illegally every day, allowed many more people to claim disability for mental health…that’s seen inflation, interest rate rises and stagnated growth. All that affects how well I can live, what I can afford.

What alternatives to furlough would you have implemented? The Tories handled it badly, too many people lost out and there was fraud, but not implementing furlough payments would fully have crashed the economy - and you would have been worse off than you are not.

Once again I see that I need to counter the myths about 'illegal immigration', because there is still so much ignorance. People who come to the UK in small boats are not illegal immigrants. Under international law, they have the right to come here and seek asylum. Until their claim is processed and refused, they are here legally and the UK is obliged to provide for them. It isn't the life of Riley, it's horrific. These people are worse off than you. We could improve matters by allowing them to work, that would be a win - win, but the right would go up in flames if we did that.

What do you mean 'allowed to claim disability for mental health'? Do you not believe that mental ill health can be utterly incapacitating for many people? In any case, if the previous government had funded services properly and not allowed waiting lists to spiral, very many people would not have become as unwell as they are now, and would most likely not need benefit.

Lastly on inflation - you are aware that that was a global phenomenon, due to global events?

You don't seem to know very much about politics and economics. There's a perfect party for you to vote for, their fairytale economic policy should suit you.

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:30

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 10:23

I notice that my point about the bulk of the welfare budget being pensions has been conveniently ignored. Too difficult to address @Llhaaf?

If you pay in you are entitled to claim a pension. They aren’t the people I’m concerned about.

And for pensioners who never paid in, it’s too late to do anything about that.

But going forward, work should pay. No one should get more in benefits than a person who is working full time. Migrants should not get benefits, phones, transport or hotels. I agree with Trump on that one. Perhaps that would also reduce the boats coming over.

I don’t trust Labour to put the economy and migration issues first. I think Trump was an excellent choice for America and I hope one day we have a patriotic government that puts the working people of the UK first and realises that you have to allow people to become prosperous if you want them to be productive.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 10:35

If you pay in you are entitled to claim a pension. They aren’t the people I’m concerned about.

But that’s where most of the money goes. 🤷‍♀️

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:38

pointythings · 10/11/2024 10:26

Whilst they’ve dished money out to their pals, handed billions out in furlough, given benefits to people who arrive in the country illegally every day, allowed many more people to claim disability for mental health…that’s seen inflation, interest rate rises and stagnated growth. All that affects how well I can live, what I can afford.

What alternatives to furlough would you have implemented? The Tories handled it badly, too many people lost out and there was fraud, but not implementing furlough payments would fully have crashed the economy - and you would have been worse off than you are not.

Once again I see that I need to counter the myths about 'illegal immigration', because there is still so much ignorance. People who come to the UK in small boats are not illegal immigrants. Under international law, they have the right to come here and seek asylum. Until their claim is processed and refused, they are here legally and the UK is obliged to provide for them. It isn't the life of Riley, it's horrific. These people are worse off than you. We could improve matters by allowing them to work, that would be a win - win, but the right would go up in flames if we did that.

What do you mean 'allowed to claim disability for mental health'? Do you not believe that mental ill health can be utterly incapacitating for many people? In any case, if the previous government had funded services properly and not allowed waiting lists to spiral, very many people would not have become as unwell as they are now, and would most likely not need benefit.

Lastly on inflation - you are aware that that was a global phenomenon, due to global events?

You don't seem to know very much about politics and economics. There's a perfect party for you to vote for, their fairytale economic policy should suit you.

For too long our government went along with the Covid scam and Labour called for more and harder lockdowns. Costing us a fortune. We should never have shut down - and we wouldn’t have had to implement furlough.

If the boats stopped, the bill would go down. We cannot import the Middle East. We do not have a responsibility to everyone. When exactly will you say enough is enough?

Mental health is an excuse for many and unprovable. I have suffered with OCD since I was a child with terrible anxiety, which has landed me in hospital thinking I was having a heart attack on numerous occasions. Not that I’ve received much care. In most cases I wait it out and end up going home unseen realising it was just anxiety. Then I get up and go to work.

Inflation was global, but caused by the actions of stupid governments, whether that’s funding wars or bloody Covid.

So I was asked if I see Labour making this better. Well no, because they are just as bad as the last lot…only worse, because they wanted more of the same and they love the benefits system.

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:40

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 10:35

If you pay in you are entitled to claim a pension. They aren’t the people I’m concerned about.

But that’s where most of the money goes. 🤷‍♀️

Around half? Which leaves nearly 80 billion a year going elsewhere.

And as I said, we can’t do anything about the current pension bill, but going forward private pensions should be insisted upon and people should be made to plan for their own future.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 10/11/2024 10:44

Alexandra2001 · 09/11/2024 09:59

but there is already a huge difference, JSA/UC for my DD would be around £90 per week, she'd then get £300 for rent....if not living at home... & nothing for CT either.

So less than £700 per month, as opposed to £1600 take home on NMW or £2600 on her wage.

Its different if the claimant has children but should the child suffer because of the parent?

Labours budget did not increase the tax payable by the vast majority, it was the Tories who have increased taxation on working people, not least freezing tax thresholds, at least Labour have given a date at which they will be unfrozen....

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Which, as it turns out, is the date they were already due to be unfrozen by the tories anyway ☺️

DuncinToffee · 10/11/2024 10:45

Here you go, irregular immigration is a fraction of the total number

To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?
Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:47

DuncinToffee · 10/11/2024 10:45

Here you go, irregular immigration is a fraction of the total number

There needs to be a complete freeze on anyone who is unskilled in a sector that we don’t require workers for, or who is likely to earn a low wage, where top ups are required.

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:48

And why are we suddenly calling it irregular immigration.

DuncinToffee · 10/11/2024 10:53

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:48

And why are we suddenly calling it irregular immigration.

Because that is the proper term used by the government

Notably, the government has dropped the term "illegal migration", replacing it with "irregular". This term is favoured by those working in the migration sector to describe the movement of people outside of the formal migration system, but who are still eligible to apply for asylum.

Seeking asylum is not illegal

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:54

Bloody hell.

We’re screwed.

Roll on five years.

DuncinToffee · 10/11/2024 11:00

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:54

Bloody hell.

We’re screwed.

Roll on five years.

You'd be happy to know then that Labour have has returned 9,400 people with no right to be in the UK – including 2,590 enforced returns, an increase of 19% on the same period in 2023.

pointythings · 10/11/2024 11:11

@Llhaaf come back here in 4 years when Trumps tariffs have tanked the US economy. Because they will.