To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?

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AIBU to be worried that within 2-3 years of a Labour victory, the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian hell-scape?

Kier Starmer seems like a mad, leftist radical to me. It starts with VAT on school fees but where does it end???

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Anyone else?

The term maybe, the increasing poverty rate is a fact

The IFS looked at the impact on pupils leaving the indie sector and found it would be negligible.

Now, you either accept independent research or you become a conspiracist?

Labour backed research because no one anywhere thinks it’s negligible 🤣

Have you linked the ‘credible’ Research? No.

Sorry i didn't realise you don't know how to use Google

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/tax-private-school-fees-and-state-school-spending

You 'll have to link to your assertion that the IFS is labour backed..... 😂

@Alexandra2001

Thank you for the link. I’m happy to update a year after the implementation of VAT but I remain convinced that the increase will make no material difference in our numbers.

@DuncinToffee back to my original question which sparked this back and forth.... where will labour source 'wealth creation' if they are not planning to further tax 'high earners'. There is poverty in every country. Promising wealth creation is a tall order.

where will labour source 'wealth creation' if they are not planning to further tax 'high earners'.

Where will the Conservatives source wealth creation ? They are already presiding over the highest tax burden since WWII. It is though, one of those nebulous concepts isn't it ? How exactly does any Government create wealth, and who does it create it for ?

If you think wealth creation is achieved via taxation you don’t understand the concept. Wealth is created by attracting investment to the country and making it an attractive environment for business. That”s why Labour has been working with business and is now backed by over 100 of the country’s most successful businesses.

A 100 businesses is nothing. A mere drop in the ocean. You create wealth by offering attractive benefits to working and doing business here, we are extremely lucky that London is already a global powerhouse that attracts the world’s best - whether labour is capable of supporting the country’s life support machine is unknown. It’s a big risk that people will have to take IF they decide to vote for them.

Reeves seems utterly inept to me, so I am not holding my breath.

😂 You’d have to be more right than Murdoch to think Starmer was a radical lefty!

Well he is closing down schools, so yes pretty hard left to me.

He hasn't closed down a single school.

If you lot weren't so incompetent, you'd not have defectors to Labour, a 100 MPs resigning and 20+ points behind in the polls...... inept indeed!

But please keep posting because you re making sure that any wavering Tory voters on here go Labour !!

It's a good turn of phrase. Very descriptive. I may poach it.

He is just about to close thousands of school by adding VAT!! Knowing full well many are already struggling to survive with the COL.This is not a moderate, thoughtful man.

He is just about to close thousands of school by adding VAT!!

I don't think over egging the pudding is doing your cause any favours.

They can’t be run very well if VAT is going to close them all down. Maybe they need to learn from the state sector who manage to educate millions with ever decreasing budgets and rising costs?

Do those thousands of school closures live in the same fantasy world as the narrowing polls@Polishedshoesalways ?

Firstly, those ‘low income’ families you quote are some of the hardest working people in society and during the pandemic we saw just how much we all rely on those lower income roles as well as the doctors etc.

Secondly, as someone that earns six figures, I’m sure that once you are out of the nursery fees phase you will have huge potential to maintain your comfortable life and build your income and wealth. Those in lower incomes won’t.

Get some perspective.

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He is just about to close thousands of school by adding VAT!! Knowing full well many are already struggling to survive with the COL.This is not a moderate, thoughtful man.”

The idea of VAT on independent fees has been mooted for donkeys’ years. It was continuously raised when our kids attended (one of them is nearly 30 now) and we factored that possible extra in and ensured we could cover it.

If you committed your children to a school knowing that if this became a reality you would be unable to cover the increase, that’s on you. You weren’t thoughtful.

Re the vat on schools- why is it ok to say that poor people must budget and cut their cloth accordingly, but the wealthier need to have a tax break continue so that they don't have to?

Those arguing against VAT on private businesses to give themselves/ their dc a societal advantage are making themselves look ridiculous. Learn to budget like the rest of society.

Apparently school fees have outstripped inflation in the past ten years. Do you not think this has an effect on people removing their children.

More background to the DM'a alarmist article

Exclusive: how the Independent Schools Council created a misleading headline on VAT which its own authors say is statistically meaningless. And they say they told this to the ISC.

https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/1797211773117870387?t=PSF3cN9R5McrXwqyjLPpYQ&s=19

@DuncinToffee that's an excellent thread and certain people on this thread <cough> really ought to read it. And then resit GCSE maths.

For those not on twitter

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2024/06/02/independent_schools_misleading_vat/