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To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?

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Fiftypencepiece · 24/05/2024 13:02

AIBU to be worried that within 2-3 years of a Labour victory, the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian hell-scape?

Kier Starmer seems like a mad, leftist radical to me. It starts with VAT on school fees but where does it end???

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Anyone else?

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coffeeandteav · 10/11/2024 11:24

Llhaaf · 09/11/2024 08:11

It always amazes me.

Taking people with (real) disabilities out of it, the people who take the most from this country put in the least. Often due to lack of interest in education and work. Many people choose not to work, or to work very little, choose not to value education and training and then claim benefits, taking tens, if not hundreds of thousands from the state over a lifetime.

Taking people who inherited big wealth out of it, the people who take the least are those who work and who have put education and training first and who have chosen to get jobs, work long hours, go for promotions etc and these people tend to be entitled to nothing, despite what they put in.

The people living largely on benefits however sometimes believe that they are entitled to more free money, as they want a lifestyle equal to what the working people have. So they demand the working people pay even more into the system, so it can be handed to them.

The working people sometimes don’t want to pay more as this reduces their standard of living, to not much better than non-working people, which makes all of their hard work redundant and pointless. That student loan - pointless. Those long hours - pointless. That training and upskilling - pointless.

The Labour government for some reason seem to side with the people who want to live off benefits. I have no idea why?
The working people are told they should want to work hard for the benefit of the country and business and to have efficient and modern services, but they shouldn’t expect recompense.

It’s all very weird to me. Surely a line should be drawn between support and dependancy …if we reduced benefits, taking them entirely away for people who weren’t born here and who haven’t been here over say 10 years, more people would want (need) to work. And if we allowed working people to keep more of their money, there would be even more desire to train and progress and services and business would benefit and the country would develop faster?

Our benefits bill is staggering. Surely a welfare country is not a good thing. Ok, it can be argued that reducing or withdrawing welfare could push some people further into poverty, I’d argue that unless there is a good reason they aren’t working, that’s on them. Accountability. Responsibility.

But, because Labour do not think the same as me, we will just see the welfare bill grow instead. At some point it will become pointless to work…me myself, I work full time, but to save money I am dropping down to four days. How can that be right? lol. How does that benefit the country? There are too many safety nets and the safety nets are too big.

So what’s the point? Unless work buys me a house, nice holidays, a car, some luxuries, a social life etc…what’s the point?

So our Labour government I’m sure will make the problem worse and at the same time will be giving our taxes away for vanity projects, so yep. Wasteland.

This is the biggest lie the torys ever sold.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 11:49

Llhaaf · 10/11/2024 10:40

Around half? Which leaves nearly 80 billion a year going elsewhere.

And as I said, we can’t do anything about the current pension bill, but going forward private pensions should be insisted upon and people should be made to plan for their own future.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

Welfare covers a number of benefits, and many people don’t realise that the largest amount is actually spent on pensions at £111 billion.

Total pension spending has increased by 9% since the financial year ending 2013. This isn’t surprising as life expectancy has been steadily increasing, so State Pensions are being claimed for longer. The remaining life expectancy for someone aged 65 years, in 2016, is 21 years for a man and 24 years for a woman. To find out how long your pension pot might need to last, check out our interactive here.

How much do we spend on care?
Around £30 billion is spent on personal social services. About £44 billion goes on benefits for people who are ill or disabled, while £10 billion goes on elderly care payments.

Just 17% is spent on unemployment benefit.

How long will my pension need to last? - Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howlongwillmypensionneedtolast/2015-03-27

pointythings · 10/11/2024 12:07

@blossomtoes don't confuse them with facts, they don't want them.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2024 12:16

pointythings · 10/11/2024 12:07

@blossomtoes don't confuse them with facts, they don't want them.

Good point.

knitnerd90 · 10/11/2024 19:50

It's so much easier to repeat Daily Mail headlines than to do proper research into why people are not in work. There's usually a reason, and "I'm a lazy arse" is not typically the answer. Benefit levels in the UK are not at a point where you can live even remotely comfortably on them.

Oodiks · 18/11/2024 17:01

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Are you kidding me? You think house prices will be your concern after the collapse of civilization? I suspect basic survival will be a more pressing concern.

taxguru · 18/11/2024 19:27

knitnerd90 · 10/11/2024 19:50

It's so much easier to repeat Daily Mail headlines than to do proper research into why people are not in work. There's usually a reason, and "I'm a lazy arse" is not typically the answer. Benefit levels in the UK are not at a point where you can live even remotely comfortably on them.

They're fine for those with "sideline" income from the black economy, either with "on the side" undeclared self employment, working "cash in hand" for dodgy employers, or from illegal earnings (drugs, money laundering, etc).

BIossomtoes · 18/11/2024 20:18

Oodiks · 18/11/2024 17:01

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Are you kidding me? You think house prices will be your concern after the collapse of civilization? I suspect basic survival will be a more pressing concern.

I think your irony/sarcasm detector may be faulty.

swimsong · 18/11/2024 23:21

Oodiks · 18/11/2024 17:01

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Are you kidding me? You think house prices will be your concern after the collapse of civilization? I suspect basic survival will be a more pressing concern.

I have no idea how you or anyone could take that joke seriously.

Oodiks · 18/11/2024 23:40

BIossomtoes · 18/11/2024 20:18

I think your irony/sarcasm detector may be faulty.

You may be onto something...

pointythings · 19/11/2024 14:27

taxguru · 18/11/2024 19:27

They're fine for those with "sideline" income from the black economy, either with "on the side" undeclared self employment, working "cash in hand" for dodgy employers, or from illegal earnings (drugs, money laundering, etc).

Because of course everyone on benefits does that. Absolutely all of them. Yep.

taxguru · 19/11/2024 14:54

pointythings · 19/11/2024 14:27

Because of course everyone on benefits does that. Absolutely all of them. Yep.

I didn't say "everyone" did I??

pointythings · 19/11/2024 14:58

taxguru · 19/11/2024 14:54

I didn't say "everyone" did I??

But it was the first thing you responded with, rather than addressing the issue. Which is that benefit levels have been kept deliberately low from an already low level compared to other wealthy Western countries.

Which rather suggests you're fine with vulnerable people living in poverty.

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