To think the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, hell-scape if Labour win?

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AIBU to be worried that within 2-3 years of a Labour victory, the UK will become a barren, post-apocalyptic, dystopian hell-scape?

Kier Starmer seems like a mad, leftist radical to me. It starts with VAT on school fees but where does it end???

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Anyone else?

Because wealthy people pay taxes to support state schools and a healthcare system they do not use. They also would not have have qualified for free childcare pre school.

I know as I have 2DCs in nursery, for 5 days a week, costing me £55k a year just so I can go to work. Whenever the government announces 'free childcare' I realise I am paying taxes for other people's children too.

I'm taxed 45% and the rest goes on mortgage, bills, COL, nursery. We absolutely budget. Someone has to draw a line somewhere. People are campaigning for free school meals for children in poverty. Where does it end? Maybe those who can't afford to should not have more than 1 child to start with.

The “I’ve paid twice” argument is as old as the hills - once for the state, once for private.

The option is not to pay for private services, but that is choice. Choosing not to use state services is fine imo but paying tax on that is also reasonable. Had the Conservatives not made such a shit show of state education for the many by cutting funding they would find that this VAT policy would be less popular with voters unaffected by it.

The private sector relies on state educated people to deliver the services

Not saying I don't want to pay for state education or national health service, or that the state educated are not valuable to society. I'm asking where does one draw the line?

A family with a combined earning of £150k is seen as wealthy. Perhaps on paper until they are taxed almost half, 50k on nursery fees, once mortgage COL comes in and travel to work, they are less better off than some families one benefits. Except for owning a house...

The campaigning for free school meals is absurd. Free education, free healthcare, UC and still can't feed the kids?

I really don't think there is any way you can be worse off than people on benefits. Do you ever need to use food banks? Do you to choose between heating or eating?

The 50k you spend on nursery fees is more than the total income of many households where there are two adults working.

The campaigning for free school meals is absurd. Free education, free healthcare, UC and still can't feed the kids?

Imagine wanting children to be fed, what is society coming to

You’re taxed 45% on your earnings over £125k and 40% over £38k and 20% under that. Your NI falls to 2% on earnings over £50k. It was your choice to have two children in an eye wateringly expensive nursery at the same time. Of course we’re campaigning for free school meals for children in poverty, do you really want to live in a country where children go to bed hungry? What kind of a society would that be?

Bring on the hunger games

@BIossomtoes yes my decision to have more than one child, my decision to live in london, all nurseries cost the same around here. Why shouldn't I make these decisions?

Maybe if people can't afford to feed their children they should stick to 1 child.

Maybe people’s circumstances change after the birth of their second child? What are they supposed to do? Pop them back?

Do you want children in a first world country to go to bed hungry? I’d really like an answer.

If some families cannot afford to feed their children then they can speak to UC to get more benefits. Plenty of families can afford to feed their children and would benefit anyway and more tax on the 'high income' families who are left with very little disposable income.

Oh dear. Your grasp of reality is tenuous to say the least - “speak to UC”. How does one speak to a benefit and what do you think would happen? You’ll have more disposable income when your children start schools and have free school meals, no?

Is UC the free money helpline?

yes.

freshly harvested from the magic money tree by illegal immigrants taking jobs from hard working white English families

@BIossomtoes my children will not qualify for free school meals. There are 2 million children who do. There are 8 million children who do not qualify, I'm not suggesting children go to bed hungry. This country has more than enough of a safety net for those in poverty.

My question to you is if we roll out free lunches for all, who is going to pay for all 10 million children to eat 200 meals a year?

If you are in London and and using state schools, your primary age children will benefit.

You and me and every other taxpayer. I’d rather a child who doesn’t need a free meal eats than one who does goes without.

I never realised until recently that private schools with charitable status were eligible for gift aid on donations.

”Additionally, the 1,300 schools with charitable status pay no corporation tax, capital gains tax or stamp duty. They also benefit from capital gains and inheritance tax relief, and gift aid on donations. Records from 2020 showthat Rishi Sunak and his wife, Akshata Murthy, have donated more than £100,000 to his old school, Winchester college. If they donated this from their own funds, and depending on how much UK tax they had paid, the school could claim an extra £25,000 in gift aid from HMRC, and Sunak and Murthy could claim back the difference between the basic rate and their higher rate of tax. Charitable schools also benefit from a minimum 80% rebate on business rates in England – Scotland recently changed its law and now charges schools the full amount.”

source:https://www.theguardian.com/profile/rebecca-boden

Don't forget the £10 bottle of wine Sunak donated to Leyburn primary, a state school in his constituency which shows how much he values state education in comparison with the private sector.

This.

Being able to have more than one child should not be the preserve of the top few percentage of earners.

We need people to have children. So it is in all our interests to make sure this can happen and that children are well cared for. They are our future.

I’m also really concerned that the imminent collapse of civilisation will have a big impact on house prices, and leave us in negative equity.

Oh, goodness me, you need to chill out.

You never know what life will bring.

My parents went through WW2 in Europe.

I think this was probably sarcasm (certain tabloids are notorious for reducing everything to house prices!)

Greed and covetousness. It's so fashionable in Britain.
Labour is the chief distributor of both.
They don't think of how to create wealth and increase productivity, all they scheme is how to take from others. They'll only stop when the country is on it's knees begging China for aid.

My main concern is that half the replies don't recognise the satirical humour and are replying as if the OP means it.

I daren't go past page 2 in case it becomes more than half and I get overwhelmed with the same kind of despair about mumsnetters that I feel about the majority of septics that voted the tantrum-prone rapey braggart back in over there.

(OOPS - sorry for joining the thread resurrection - didn't notice the original date!)