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Doing all the things I know make me worse

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MsGoodenough · 01/04/2025 22:22

I'm feeling suicidal. I know scrolling endlessly on my phone makes me worse. Eating badly makes me worse. Procrastinating makes me worse. Talking about it makes me worse. Yet here I am doing all of them. Staying awake all night. Feel like I'm on a runaway train headed to oblivion. I know I have to stay alive for DD but I've fucked everything up. Has anyone been here and got out. How do I start looking after myself? Both work and partner are sick of me. I don't help myself. I should be in bed by now but am sat scrolling Mumsnet. I am utterly useless.

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Misspacorabanne · 24/04/2025 22:43

Oh op! It’s horrible isn’t it! I’ve suffered on and off with similar feelings! I did some cbt training once and one thing that sticks with me is to make a plan for the day… break it down into very small steps… and stick to that plan! Follow your steps and not your feelings of not wanting to do it/procrastinating etc. It’s not easy and I still struggle with this myself! I often have to switch off my phone, but it gets easier doing this once you start building up the habit.
Other than that I can only suggest the gp again… apologies I haven’t read the full thread but have you considered cbt therapy, it can really change your thought patterns, that along side meditation could be a good starting point. I find cbt so helpful it’s just hard not slipping back into old habits once it finishes.

MadNadine · 24/04/2025 22:51

Hey there, OP.

It's great that you felt a bit better yesterday. That's positive. 😊

Today sounds like it's been tough, but you just have to let it go now. And tomorrow is a fresh start.

Re this evening, gently, please stop beating yourself up about it. It's OK. Can you just get yourself ready for bed, lie down in the dark, and try to relax?

I think you mentioned trying CBT in the past but not being able to stick with it? Have you ever tried listening to positive affirmations? I used to think they were silly but it has honestly really helped me. You don't need to repeat them if it doesn't feel right, just listen.

There are lots on youtube. I like Lavendaire's voice and her videos aren't too long. Here's a popular one:

Why not give it a go? You could work it in to your routine, as suggested by @Misspacorabanne Maybe set an alarm so you don't forget? I like to do them in the morning, first thing, and/or at bedtime.

As I've said before, the selfcare stuff alone might not be enough, but it will definitely help.

One last thing. You say you're not doing what it takes to get better, but you are - by writing about it here. That's your inner strength, pushing you to reach out for support. You don't have to do this all on your own.

Sending you love.

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MsGoodenough · 24/04/2025 23:47

Thank you wveryone. Plan was to be asleep by 9.30 tonight. Still awake gone 11. If I don't sleep tonight I don't know what I'll do. I've been on every AD there is and loads of cbt. I just think if someone's determined to self destruct there's nothing a therapist or drug can do
I'm actually not that depressed right now. I know that probably sounds ridiculous but I've been way lower. I'm just so tired and unable to sleep and scared I've permanently lost my ability to teach. Without teaching I'm nothing. Should be asleep and I'm on Mumsnet. So scared of another night awake getting tireder and tireder. I can't function on no sleep but again I'm stubborn I can take a sleeping pill then be awake all night. I just determined to throw my life down the drain. If I can't sleep and I can't teach I'm nothingm. I'd kill myself just to have a few hours shut eye.

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 07:19

Hi OP. Sorry things are still tough.

Have you had - deep - talking therapy to explore why you believe at your core that if you cannot teach you are nothing? Who has taught you this? Why do you keep saying it? Not getting at you but it’s important to understand this as it seems to connected to your anguish. Do you have anything else in life, creative passions, things that bring you joy on a very simple, basic level? It sounds trite but I have come to realise it can be powerful.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 07:27

You cannot control the results your classes get. All you can do is teach and you are doing that. I feel that the UK has gone down an odd road in removing a lot of the scaffolding around discipline and so on that used to create an environment in which learning was facilitated and yet at the same time scrutinising teachers more and more harshly. It’s not up to you to perform miracles. I don’t know what messages you were given in childhood about conscientiousness, control and being responsible for others around you but I know some very anxious people benefit from drawing more of a boundary between what is properly their responsibility and what is other people‘s, or the system as a whole etc.

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 16:27

Oh believe me I reach out every hour of every day. I need to keep myself more to myself. I'm in trouble at work for splurging my emotions all over everyone. It's part of the self destruct there's no way to go. Teaching is what gives me joy. I teach in a wonderful school and if I eff this up I will never get as good a job again. Have cried on 4 colleagues today. Got no work done (had PPA time) I am so scared. DP and I on brink of breaking up so I need my job. DD seeing me upset and worrying about me. I am so lost.

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 16:59

I think I'm nothing without teaching because teaching has brought joy into my life. If I lose it I will never forgive myself. And I am losing it. If I take time off I only get worse, and the department falls apart as well. I am so stuck. Can't work but can't take time off work. Exhausted but can't sleep. Everyone else has gone home but I am still at work as I have been procrastinating all day. Need to work all weekend but I won't. I feel suicidal but I know I can't do it so I'm totally stuck.

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 17:06

I think I'm nothing without teaching because teaching has brought joy into my life. If I lose it I will never forgive myself. And I am losing it. If I take time off I only get worse, and the department falls apart as well. I am so stuck. Can't work but can't take time off work. Exhausted but can't sleep. Everyone else has gone home but I am still at work as I have been procrastinating all day. Need to work all weekend but I won't. I feel suicidal but I know I can't do it so I'm totally stuck.

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Cancelthebreak · 25/04/2025 17:09

I don’t understand why you can’t take some sick leave and then go back to the job you love when you are feeling better? What do your colleagues say to you when you are obviously struggling and crying to them?

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 17:52

I know it sounds mad. But I always struggle with my mental health in the school holidays, even when I'm basically well. The devil makes work for idle minds. I had two days off (forced by the Head) and spent them in a total panic and went back to work 100x worse. I like routine and structure. If I absolutely can't do my job I know I'll need to take time off, but it only does me harm. Especially if aim not sleeping. It's 24/7 stewing in my own juice.

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 17:53

If I were someone who was capable of resting and recovering that would be different. But I'm not.

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 17:55

Sound like you need work, perhaps, but different work.

Roxietrees · 25/04/2025 18:04

So sorry you’re feeling this way OP, I’m there myself atm. It’s amazing how your brain can make the slightest task like climbing Mount Everest. It’s a horrible feeling. Sometimes I find you just have to ride it out - don’t be too hard on yourself- if calling in sick and staying in bed all day is what you need to do then do it until you feel stronger. I find my bed is my safe space and sometimes I just need to wallow in it until you feel slightly brighter

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 18:06

If you keep pushing yourself you won’t be able to help the kids long term… sorry if that sounds harsh but…

picturethispatsy · 25/04/2025 18:22

It sounds like you have become stuck in a vicious cycle. Reading between the lines I think you love teaching but the job/the responsibility has overwhelmed you, combined with everything you have going on at home too, with its crazy demands (I used to teach so I know how the job is) and you’ve got to peak overwhelm.

You obviously don’t want to take time off work and like the actual role of teaching but it seems like unless you do so your brain and body are going to force you to take time off.

It sounds like your nervous system has become dangerously dysregulated. The fact that you say you aren’t actually depressed, that you love your job and your DC, suggests to me that you are just overwhelmed and ‘on the edge’ and unable to cope.

I am not a medic or mental health professional just a mum who was a teacher so I don’t have answers for you other than to change something. I know you are HOD and you feel so responsible but honestly the world will keep on turning if you take time away from work. They will all cope without you and you deserve to be well. Take advantage of the sick leave and take a break! Your health is more important than anything and you being well for your child. Sending love and prayers.

Cancelthebreak · 25/04/2025 18:31

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 17:53

If I were someone who was capable of resting and recovering that would be different. But I'm not.

You are not well so you need help to relax and sleep. It’s not your fault. Please seek help

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 18:33

I know I am on the edge and something needs to change. But I know a day in bed will have me suicidal by lunchtime. I guess that's the problem. I can't cope going to work and I can't cope not going to work. That's why I'm in such a panic.

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 18:33

But what help is there apart from therapy and pills?

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 19:04

Right now I am crying in the bathroom because I can't decide whether to go out or not. It's not just work that's the problem. Every tiny decision. I can't face time off because there are more decisions.

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MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 19:08

I think I've misrepresented that it's work that's issue. It's everything. Every tiny decision.

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Parmeggiano · 25/04/2025 19:35

It’s heartbreaking reading your distress OP. Not attempting to armchair diagnose you but what stands out in all your posts is self sabotage, chronic procrastination, avoidance, compulsive eating, self esteem embedded in work, need for structure, difficulty switching off, delayed sleep/no sleep. The self blame cycles & all of the above you describe stand out esp to me as are all symptoms of (depression & anxiety) but also & made worse by ADHD. I know it’s virtually a MN trope now so forgive me.

But does time blindness, chronic lateness, hyper focus, difficulty regulating your attention & function either in either intense focus into something for hours on end or absolute apathy, forgetfulness, lose things constantly, have doom piles of ironing you can’t face, executive function difficulties inc organisation, planning, budgeting, get more awake & hyper later in the day into the a.m so unable to sleep, chronic shame cycles, boom or bust all or nothing dopamine seeking fixes (sugar addiction) followed by total crashes amongst others?? Obv as a teacher & HOD all the executive function stuff wld not prob be that difficult for you but you may have developed work arounds & ways to manage it which often manifest as over conscientiousness, anxiety, perfectionism, huge amounts of energy expended trying to mask all of these hidden difficulties, leaving you drained & needing to decompress & prone to burnout. Masking to compensate for all these internal battles that you perceive are just you & evidence that you must just be innately bad & worthless bcos you know rationally what you need to do & how you’re supposed to function like a “normal” person, yet you don’t, you can procrastinate for days & must just be lazy, bad, et . Imposter syndrome, really low self esteem despite being high achieving & academically able, capable & respected by others. Fall apart if no structure but find it hard to effect & stick to routines.

Anyway lots of pple with ADHD thrive in a teaching role for too many reasons to list (among lots of other professions /roles too obvs!) Anyway it’s just a thought & apologies if way off & over stepping the mark.

ADHD in peri & meno can really cause major havoc - is when a lot of women get diagnosed & when the raft of CBT & pills have had limited benefit. Their ability to mask as effectively as they cld before gets harder, anger & emotionality can go haywire & procrastination & all the symptoms suddenly come into focus & much easier to see in oneself.

Plse ignore if not!

picturethispatsy · 25/04/2025 19:35

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 19:04

Right now I am crying in the bathroom because I can't decide whether to go out or not. It's not just work that's the problem. Every tiny decision. I can't face time off because there are more decisions.

That is because your nervous system is almost completely dysregulated and at full capacity. It’s burnout. Every single little thing feels like a mountain. I’ve been there.

You need the right type of therapy and the right type of medication.

I understand what you’re saying about work but it’s the only obvious thing you can change right now. (Also you can become addicted to the stress and cortisol that work and life throws at you).

Cancelthebreak · 25/04/2025 22:36

MsGoodenough · 25/04/2025 18:33

But what help is there apart from therapy and pills?

You haven’t tried every medication so you need to give a psychiatrist the chance to help you. What have you got to lose?

MsGoodenough · 26/04/2025 08:29

Parmeggiano · 25/04/2025 19:35

It’s heartbreaking reading your distress OP. Not attempting to armchair diagnose you but what stands out in all your posts is self sabotage, chronic procrastination, avoidance, compulsive eating, self esteem embedded in work, need for structure, difficulty switching off, delayed sleep/no sleep. The self blame cycles & all of the above you describe stand out esp to me as are all symptoms of (depression & anxiety) but also & made worse by ADHD. I know it’s virtually a MN trope now so forgive me.

But does time blindness, chronic lateness, hyper focus, difficulty regulating your attention & function either in either intense focus into something for hours on end or absolute apathy, forgetfulness, lose things constantly, have doom piles of ironing you can’t face, executive function difficulties inc organisation, planning, budgeting, get more awake & hyper later in the day into the a.m so unable to sleep, chronic shame cycles, boom or bust all or nothing dopamine seeking fixes (sugar addiction) followed by total crashes amongst others?? Obv as a teacher & HOD all the executive function stuff wld not prob be that difficult for you but you may have developed work arounds & ways to manage it which often manifest as over conscientiousness, anxiety, perfectionism, huge amounts of energy expended trying to mask all of these hidden difficulties, leaving you drained & needing to decompress & prone to burnout. Masking to compensate for all these internal battles that you perceive are just you & evidence that you must just be innately bad & worthless bcos you know rationally what you need to do & how you’re supposed to function like a “normal” person, yet you don’t, you can procrastinate for days & must just be lazy, bad, et . Imposter syndrome, really low self esteem despite being high achieving & academically able, capable & respected by others. Fall apart if no structure but find it hard to effect & stick to routines.

Anyway lots of pple with ADHD thrive in a teaching role for too many reasons to list (among lots of other professions /roles too obvs!) Anyway it’s just a thought & apologies if way off & over stepping the mark.

ADHD in peri & meno can really cause major havoc - is when a lot of women get diagnosed & when the raft of CBT & pills have had limited benefit. Their ability to mask as effectively as they cld before gets harder, anger & emotionality can go haywire & procrastination & all the symptoms suddenly come into focus & much easier to see in oneself.

Plse ignore if not!

I on the waiting list for an ADHD assessment. I dithered on booking and coupled have had one already. Now July. Just scared I won't make it that long

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 26/04/2025 09:48

I agree that you seem to be in serious overwhelm and burnout.