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To think that infidelity is sometimes justifiable

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MarianaMonterey · 01/04/2024 16:25

Not ok. And not forgiveable by you personally. But can you conceive of circumstances that seem so bleak, you’d choose to yourself or at least think ‘yeah, I can understand that’ of someone else.

Yes, it’s me. I’m the other woman. I didn’t know he was married. But I was already in a place so desolate before I found out, I don’t think I can now face walking away. If you knew I had so little that an affair looked better than nothing, would you still view me with contempt or could you find compassion?

Please be kind. I am not in crisis, but I am very, very close. It’s humiliating, but it’s real. I just can’t go one more day when no one thinks of me at all. I‘m facing big physical health, mental health, work, child and financial issues and I just don’t think I can put someone else first right now. I’m hoping with some support from the wrong person I make it through to later when I can make better choices. I don’t yet know how, but it’s the only future I can see. It’s not that I can’t handle the break up itself. It’s that I can’t handle it on top of everything else. It’s just one loss too many, and after decades of getting by on not nearly enough.

Leave him out of it. It’s not about him. Don’t tell me I’m strong enough, that it’s not as bad as I think or that I deserve better. It makes no difference. I can’t believe those things into being. It’s better than nothing. And no one deserves nothing, surely? I’m so done. This is no life. [Redacted by MNHQ]

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iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:26

TheFormidableMrsC · 01/04/2024 16:34

She knows he's married and intends to carry on. That makes her equally to blame. Absolutely contemptuous.

Of course she isn't equally to blame! The MARRIED man who became entangled in an affair is the only one to blame.

HulaChick · 01/04/2024 19:26

It's a completely subjective thing. If someone is very unhappy in their relationship and feeling the burden of not wanting to hurt their husband/partner/children, yet feeling unloved, unattractive, not desired, trapped due to not wanting to upend the family unit, and received no physical attention for years and has tried to get things to work but to no avail and then if someone then shows you that they find you attractive, desirable and loveable then I think there is definitely a reason why you would be tempted to do something you never thought you ever would. For those reasons, I would say it's justified. However, 9 times out of 10, it is usually discovered and that's when things get very messy & hurtful.

FleetwoodMacAttack · 01/04/2024 19:27

Affairs have been going on since the Dawn of time. Marriages/relationships are complex. Mumsnet is like a nest of vipers and very black and white on these things. Real life is rarely that simple. Sometimes you get validation, support and belief in corners you least expect. A lot of infidelity happens, always will and often other people have no idea and there isn’t always upset elsewhere. Key thing though is to protect yourself as much as possible.

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:28

iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:26

Of course she isn't equally to blame! The MARRIED man who became entangled in an affair is the only one to blame.

If it carries on she is to blame too …the poor wife

FinallyHere · 01/04/2024 19:32

It’s better than nothing.

Hugh empathy from me, I'm very sorry you have been dealt such a miserable hand in life.

Even so, I'd encourage you to not go there. It might feel as if it's better than nothing but you are doing yourself no favours and actually eroding your own self esteem. Your self esteem is based on how you treat yourself, not how other people treat you.

The sooner you start treating yourself decently, do you can hold up your head, the better. This is a truth that I only came to understand much later in life. I understand you may not believe this now but you will come to understand. All the best.

iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:32

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:28

If it carries on she is to blame too …the poor wife

Not really, she isn't married to her. OP doesn't owe her anything and its her husband who has betrayed her, not the OP.

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:33

iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:32

Not really, she isn't married to her. OP doesn't owe her anything and its her husband who has betrayed her, not the OP.

If it carries on it’s on her too she now knows he is married

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Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:36

Absolutely no sympathy if she carries on knowing he is married the poor wife and ppl saying it’s only down to her husband a message for you ….would you not blame the woman too if it was your partner and someone else …yes you bloody would

CammyChameleon · 01/04/2024 19:37

People will think differently of you if it comes to light. They'll think you desperate, pathetic, stupid and selfish. But hey, at least you won't have to a day without someone thinking of you!

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 01/04/2024 19:38

@MarianaMonterey so you dont feel regrets for the hurt you are causing his wife???? you need to stop this now that you know he is not yours to be had!

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:39

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 01/04/2024 19:38

@MarianaMonterey so you dont feel regrets for the hurt you are causing his wife???? you need to stop this now that you know he is not yours to be had!

💯 it’s bloody awful no pain like it you can never justify yourself once you know

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:41

YellowIsTheSun · 01/04/2024 18:57

A close friend recently found out her ‘D’H had an affair for a few months.

When he realised his marriage was at risk he called OW to dump her. She asked to ‘talk about things’ in person so he got in the car, drove a few hrs to her house where he dumped her in person. Her young son was in the house upstairs at the same time. She also let him sleep on her sofa so he didn’t have to drive back late at night. She must be either mentally unwell or have no self respect at all. He treated both DW and OW like shit, he led OW on to think he might want a relationship with her at some point (lots of messaging, dirty weekend away, went to her house and cooked her breakfast) but the truth is he would never have wanted to be with her even if he was single. She had crappy job, crappy house and was short/plain Jane looks/tomboyish…not someone he would have usually given a second glance to. I don’t know much about the psychology of affairs but I now see what people mean when they say they always ‘affair down’.

I pity the OW, he used her and couldn’t dump her fast enough when the bubble burst. They very rarely want to leave their wife, they just get off on the cheap thrills. He had a very ‘loving’ and sexually active relationship with his DW throughout the affair, just disgusting behaviour!!!

I’ve never heard “affair down” before but it does seem to be the case. They’re probably easier to come by if you trade down.and more grateful for scraps.

Dweetfidilove · 01/04/2024 19:42

My worry for you is that you sound vulnerable, and he may exploit that, leaving you in a worse emotional state.

Work on your mental health as a priority and that will help you sort the wheat from the chafe.

Bellsandthistle · 01/04/2024 19:45

I’m sorry you’re feeling so down but have you considered that his wife will feel even worse anguish as a result of what you two are doing?
It’s all still very selfish imo.

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:45

Sodie · 01/04/2024 19:06

No compassion from me. I'm in actual crisis because of my husband's affair. I'm on four medications because I just can't cope. I took an overdose. I've self harmed all over my arms with matches. I've lost three dress sizes in a month. I've even gone as far as order a new car because he had her in mine. My life is completely ruined.

I’m so sorry. You will come through this. I hope you’re getting the help you need for the trauma.

I hope you’re rinsing him for the car!!!

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 19:45

Bellsandthistle · 01/04/2024 19:45

I’m sorry you’re feeling so down but have you considered that his wife will feel even worse anguish as a result of what you two are doing?
It’s all still very selfish imo.

Mine too

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:52

iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:26

Of course she isn't equally to blame! The MARRIED man who became entangled in an affair is the only one to blame.

Not now she knows. Now the only humane thing to do is break it off.

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:54

iLovee · 01/04/2024 19:32

Not really, she isn't married to her. OP doesn't owe her anything and its her husband who has betrayed her, not the OP.

The side chick has entered the chat.

iLovee · 01/04/2024 20:02

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:52

Not now she knows. Now the only humane thing to do is break it off.

I don't agree (and I'm donning my hard hat). The OP hasn't married his wife, she hasn't promised to love her or be faithful to her. She hasn't broken any promises or ruined any families and don't think the OP owes her anything.

OP is clearly very vulnerable and has chosen an awful man as someone she thoufht was her PARTNER. She's just found out he's married, is feeling humiliated, alone and very close to a crisis situation. There is a huge power imbalance in the relationship she thought she had with this man and it seems to me that he has taken advantage of this.

She should leave him for herself, but I get why she needs time to sort everything out before she contemplates leaving him. She is going through health problems, financial problems and family problems. If she needs to use him as a crutch (however toxic this is) until she is feeling stronger then I don't think it makes her a bad person.

Both women deserve better than the scumbag, but the OP is not to blame for him chosing to cheat on his wife.

iLovee · 01/04/2024 20:03

StormingNorman · 01/04/2024 19:54

The side chick has entered the chat.

Haha. The happily (enough) married women but thanks for the giggle!

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 20:04

MohairTortoise · 01/04/2024 19:25

OP, I don't suppose you care that much for his wife. You've probably heard a thousand reasons from him why he has resorted to an affair, usually it goes along the lines of how he's not been happy for a long time (and hell, don't we all deserve happiness.), how he should never have married his wife, and that he only stays for the children.
I can guarantee you he won't be telling his wife how 'unhappy' he is. He won't tell her he regrets marrying her, or that he's only there for the children.
Do you know why he won't tell her this? Because none of those are the real reasons he stays.
If he thought that much of his children, he wouldn't be having an affair, risking devastating his children would he? If he thought that much of his children, he would try anything to make his marriage work, therapy, quality time, spending his time with his children making memories.
Instead, he's skulking off spending time with you when he could be spending that time with his children.
The truth is, he has no intention of this ever being anything more than an affair. EVER!!! He's got everything he wants and he doesn't want to sacrifice any of it, and if that hurts you, or his wife, or his kids, oh well, that's just collateral damage as far as he'll be concerned.
He is not unhappily married, because if he was, he would discuss this with his wife, not you. If that didn't resolve any issues, he would move out, and get a divorce, all before he contemplated cheating.
He is not your Knight in shining armour because honestly, he doesn't give a shit about you! It's extremely likely that he doesn't give a shit about anyone except himself. He stays because it's convenient for him. He likes the status quo exactly the way it is! The relationships in his life merely serve to get his needs met, whatever they may be. I won't presume you fulfil his sexual needs although I'd be surprised if that's not a huge part of it.
His wife fulfils everything else.

His priorities are as follows;

  1. Himself and what he wants.

How the fuck it helps your mental health to have a selfish self centred entitled piece of shit in your life, or getting your heart broken by a questionable creature, I can't pretend to understand, and if you're honest OP, I don't think you can make sense of that either.

Couldn’t have put it better myself

Zola1 · 01/04/2024 20:09

For you maybe it feels like the right choice or whatever.
For me, having had everything I thought I knew absolutely brutally ripped away from me, I can not ever imagine that you're in the right For doing this to another woman. I think you can't fully comprehend how it feels until it happens to you.

Nicetobenice67 · 01/04/2024 20:11

Zola1 · 01/04/2024 20:09

For you maybe it feels like the right choice or whatever.
For me, having had everything I thought I knew absolutely brutally ripped away from me, I can not ever imagine that you're in the right For doing this to another woman. I think you can't fully comprehend how it feels until it happens to you.

💯 because of women like this..selfish

Zola1 · 01/04/2024 20:12

kitsuneghost · 01/04/2024 17:40

I think too much is made of infidelity.
There are bigger things in life to be concerned with.
Being upset with infidelity shows insecurity imo.

You're right, being devastated by finding out my partner was shagging another woman, while gaslighting and abusing me, and telling her I was unstable and not safe to be alone...it just shows I'm insecure 🤷🏼‍♀️