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Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2019 18:39

The nominations are in!

A reminder about polling...

... And its significance in this election.

In 2017 YouGov got it right. They did two types of poll. One was a general poll which was done on regional polling. Early versions of this during the campaign discounted the don't knows. Later ones guesstimated how the don't knows would vote. This polling turned out to be close to the result but not exact.

The other poll you Gov did was on a constituency level. It was right before the election and it proved to be the most accurate of all, until we saw John Curtice's exit poll (which was spot on).

This time around YouGov have just switched to a constituency version of their polling because its much more complex this time with various pacts in action. They will be promoting respondents on the basis of who is standing in their constituency.

I'm not aware of other pollsters and their methodology but YouGov is interesting because of how close they were to the result last time.

This time around we are also seeing the active use of polling to lead voters, rather than necessarily reflect it. The Lib Dems and Remain have done a lot in what they see as key marginals to aid their credibility as realistic challengers. It's a more sophisticated version of their infamous, 'Only the LDs can beat X here' barcharts of shame. But it's unlikely they will be the only ones to try and use the technique. They probably will just be a little more transparent about it.

John Curtice has gone on record as saying there are only two realistic outcomes for the election: A Tory Majority or a Hung Parliament.

For the Tories to win they need a significant lead in the polls. To be sure probably 10% lead because of the regionality and constituency anomalies. Anything less than 6 or 7 percentage ahead and it tips to a hung parliament. YouGov currently have them on 13pt lead... BUT that's without fully accounting for the 1/5 of voters who are currently undecided. Last time around those who decided at the last moment tipped heavily in favour of Labour rather than the Conservatives.

Who stays at home, or who spoils a ballot could have particular significance this time around as disenchanted voters are made up of a higher number of voters who do usually vote than usual and a broken tribalism. Thus making it more difficult to predict than ever before.

So be a bit wary of polls and what they show - and what they don't show...

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2019 15:59

red Your info confirms the importance of Remain parties standing down for the strongest of them

Infuriating that we could have had maybe an even chance of winning

sniffsneeze · 15/11/2019 16:00

@HesterThrale now that would be interesting. Independent real time fact checkers. I'd watch that!

prettybird · 15/11/2019 16:04

Given the direction that the discussion has taken, I thought it would be worth (re)posting this. Wink

Whether or not Graham Norton actually said it (I'll don't I haven't checked), it is a sentiment I wholeheartedly endorse Smile. And yes, that includes as a higher rate tax payer and a Band G council tax house owner (who in Scotland have to pay an additional premium).

Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"
HesterThrale · 15/11/2019 16:08

Yes @sniffandsneeze, it's not ok what's happening. The 'lying and hoping you don't get caught' or 'lying and denying' is very Trumpesque.
Not good for democracy.
It brings this to mind.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49432821

HesterThrale · 15/11/2019 16:09

Sorry @sniffsneeze - got your name wrong!

CendrillonSings · 15/11/2019 16:10

Infuriating that we could have had maybe an even chance of winning

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind Grin

Of course, that scenario would have required Labour to stand down multiple candidates, and as we know there's literally zero chance of The Great Leader doing that, even for the sake of that precious Remain outcome he pretends to care about.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2019 16:14

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CendrillonSings · 15/11/2019 16:19

numbers are numbers. Lives are lives. I know what I care about more

In which case I’m sure you’re a lovely person, and am also deeply grateful that you’re not making national economic policy.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2019 16:21

Still (faint) hope for a hung Parliament
Maybe a few Remainer candidates will stand down when they realise they are only gifting the Tories a win

Matthew Goodwin@GoodwinMJ

A month out from #GE2019

Con 40%
Lab 28%

A month out from #GE2017:
Con 47%
Lab 29%

Don't rule out big shifts ...

JustAnotherPoster00 · 15/11/2019 16:24

Britain Elects
@britainelects
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9m
Inverness Central (Highland) result:

SNP: 45.2% (+12.3)
CON: 15.3% (+2.9)
IND: 12.3% (+12.3)
LDEM: 10.5% (+6.0)
GRN: 9.8% (+3.7)
LAB: 6.9% (-10.0)

SNP HOLD.

No Ind(s) (-27.3) as prev.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2019 16:24

Paul Waugh@paulwaugh

@BorisJohnson says "we'll have bags of time" to get a new EU-UK trade deal by end of 2020.

That's a quote that may come back to haunt him.

Some teeny weeny wriggle room tho "I don't want an extension".
@BBCBreakfast

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2019 16:27

A deal within 11 months of transition is only possible if he caves in again at the last moment, as on the NI frontstop
and just agrees to a prepared EU draft, on EU terms

I'm sure Barnier already has one tucked away

tobee · 15/11/2019 16:29

numbers are numbers. Lives are lives. I know what I care about more

In which case I’m sure you’re a lovely person, and am also deeply grateful that you’re not making national economic policy.

Says it all really

yolofish · 15/11/2019 16:32

Does anyone else's eyes just glaze over when clavinova c&p?

I think its far too early to take much notice of the polls, we've still got 4 weeks to go.

Feel I need to search out this morning's BBC interview, but will probs be bad for my blood pressure so I might not.

Peregrina · 15/11/2019 16:34

Justanother - don't forget that Scottish Local Elections are not held under the FPTP system.

tobee · 15/11/2019 16:35

Does anyone else's eyes just glaze over when clavinova c&p?

Grin
Peregrina · 15/11/2019 16:35

Does anyone else's eyes just glaze over when clavinova c&p?

Yep. Also with Cendrillon ranting on about Labour being Communist....

DGRossetti · 15/11/2019 16:36

Whether or not Graham Norton actually said it (I'll don't I haven't checked), it is a sentiment I wholeheartedly endorse

or

Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"
tobee · 15/11/2019 16:40

It's the "furious" bit that is disturbing

MyNameIsArthur · 15/11/2019 16:40

PMK

Mistigri · 15/11/2019 16:41

Does anyone else's eyes just glaze over

Just scroll ...

Have no issue with people disagreeing. Enjoy reading and responding to oakenbeach's posts and I think we would disagree on about 90% of things. Disagreement is good, you should want to justify your opinions and sometimes change them.

Bad faith posts aren't worth your time though.

CendrillonSings · 15/11/2019 16:41

Also with Cendrillon ranting on about Labour being Communist....

If they keep promising to nationalise everything they can get their hands on, then I’ll keep calling them exactly what they are. Sorry if the facts keep bursting your bubble!

SwedishEdith · 15/11/2019 16:42

Yes, I scroll past both of them 😁. Just noise. That's why the Twitter mute button is so useful.

FadingStar · 15/11/2019 16:44

Norton and Mansford have just risen massively in my estimation. Good on them!

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