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Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:24

Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

  • ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -
before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

  • in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake
I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

  • Post edited to correct dates
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BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:27

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

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OublietteBravo · 25/10/2019 13:28

An early PMK (for once).

Ghoulette1740 · 25/10/2019 13:30

World weary pmk here.

Jason118 · 25/10/2019 13:30

@BigChocFrenzy surely 7th Nov (not Feb) and Dec 2020 not 2021?
Sorry to be picky, although maybe I'm wrongConfused
Ta muchly for new thread.

KanelbulleKing · 25/10/2019 13:35

pmk although I think I'd be better off just hiding in the closet.

OffTheShelfElf · 25/10/2019 13:35

Nervous PMK.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:36

Jason You're right - I rushed when I saw 995 posts and got the dates wrong ! Blush

DATE typos:
29 Oct - 7 Nov .... offered by BJ for debating WA
31 Dec 2020 .... end of transition without extension

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yolofish · 25/10/2019 13:37

Confused PMK.

ClashCityRocker · 25/10/2019 13:38

Early pmk here too.

I'm pissed off the budget is gone.

I'm also pissed off that there's a lot of tax stuff that needs sorting but isn't being.

For example, the pension savings tax charge which is having a huge impact on doctors. I had a case today where because a doctor earned £19 over the threshold, he would have had to pay an additional £13,500 in tax. Fortunately we were able to find some additional (wholly legitimate) expenses to bring it down by this - but it is a ridiculous position to be in.

Its not only having an impact on the doctors themselves, but also as the doctors cannot take on additional shifts and indeed are reducing hours waiting lists are getting longer and longer.

But because everything is being consumed by brexit, nothing is being done - despite promises that there would be something in place by April 2020.

I appreciate that there are a lot of important issues that are not being addressed because of the shite going on at the minute.

But how long can this go on for?

(And no, I don't have a solution that isn't a unicorn. Just venting my frustration.)

DarlingNikita · 25/10/2019 13:39

PMK. Thanks Red.

TheElementsSong · 25/10/2019 13:42

PMK with sleeping resident from cat cafe.

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IDontBelieveYou · 25/10/2019 13:42

PMK

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/10/2019 13:43

Thanks bigchoc

DGRossetti · 25/10/2019 13:45

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thecatfromjapan · 25/10/2019 13:46

Tired.
💐

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:47

I've reported my OP with request to @MNHQ as a big favour to correct the date typos.
@ManiacalMumsnet Are you lurking ?

< reminder to self: when in a hurry, still check the damn dates ! >

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TokyoSushi · 25/10/2019 13:50

P M flippin' K

tobee · 25/10/2019 13:50

Place marking with my "wig" guinea pig plus normal guinea pig

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Ellie56 · 25/10/2019 13:51

We really need an edit button along with the head banging emoji.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:51

"because a doctor earned £19 over the threshold, he would have had to pay an additional £13,500 in tax. " Shock

clash That's total insanity
It also shows what happens when bills / consequences are not analysed closely enough before being passed

Now let's think what happens when a complex bill has only a few days debate.

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derxa · 25/10/2019 13:52

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 25/10/2019 13:55

Placemarking - long term lurker. I do have a cat but she's so antisocial I don't have any recent photos. Awful cat parent.

I honestly don't know what's best anymore. All I know is I don't trust Tories, but have no idea how best to thwart them.

dontcallmelen · 25/10/2019 13:56

PMK as always thank you everyone, I’m running out of flowers the rate the threads are going

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CrunchyCarrot · 25/10/2019 13:57

Exhausted. Thanks for the thread Red and other posters.

I can fully relate to those who say they 'just want this over' but I know there really is no 'over'.

HeyNotInMyName · 25/10/2019 14:00

PMK
I’m wondering who between the EU and the uk/BJ/HoC will waiver first.
First time that the EU has basically put pressure on the UK in this way.... showing BJ they too can play that game btw (which shouldn’t be a surprise).
What would you lot think is the aim of the EU there?

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