Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

I disagree DGR, I think Patel will be kept because she heads off well-meaning, identity politics type young activists before they can really get going. All she has to do is say, "But speaking as a BAME woman, my lived experience is..." and an enormous number of them will immediately shut up.

I disagree with your disagreement. Where we are going - certainly where Boris wants to take us - there will be no time for any of this flibbertyGibberty nonsense about BAME or anything else from the past 30 years. Including "trans" rights (look at Trump if you want a preview).

You really think once the BJ coup is complete they are going to give two shiny shits about keeping what they despise so close ?

For now, Saj and Patel are there because it suits the agenda. But even then, they've been firmly shown their place. Do you think a white exchequer would have been treated as "the Saj" has ?

If Boris-Cummings-Johnson were as devious as you need to be to live their lives for a nanosecond, they might even now be working out how to engineer a "failure" of their plan with a way of ensuring Saj and Patel get the blame - or so it will seem to the country. Imagine what the shouty crowd that popped up outside parliament yesterday would make of that ? And more pertinently, what they would do ? The only question that would remain would be whether it happened at day, or night ....

Still, I see Strictly started yesterday ... ooo, is that toast ?

I thought SJ looked and sounded very uncomfortable on AM. He will know that the financial services sector don’t want No Deal.

Also senior ministers meeting 2-3 times a week with all this turmoil going on. Either AR is right and not much prep work is going on or he is being left out of key discussions (actually I suspect both apply).

If Boris-Cummings-Johnson were as devious as you need to be to live their lives for a nanosecond, they might even now be working out how to engineer a "failure" of their plan with a way of ensuring Saj and Patel get the blame - or so it will seem to the country.

Bear in mind, they only need to threaten this ...

The other alternative is that BJ appends his own letter to the request for an extension saying he's being forced to by law but he doesn't agree with it and will do everything he can to make ourselves the biggest nuisance including vetoing anything possible, disrupting meetings with nonsense agenda points, etc.

So that the EU think 'fuck it' and veto the extension.

I mean - that's incredibly childish and embarrassing and I'd like to think below even BJ-Cummings but...perhaps not?

@Dried I'm also not against it. I do think age of properties and type of tenants is integral to any decision though. I still think they should have bands, as they do for council tax, which also needs a shake up imo. They should assume a family is renting and make the market rate rental the cap - so a 3 bed Victorian semi in Kent has a max of say £800/900pm the 3 bed ex council house £600/700 - less garden and space generally so not as good for MH etc) and this is reflected across the country. The ability to charge per room is where we've allowed students/zhc renters to be ripped off on sq footage and MH.

Those of us who are Brit expats are looking on in horror from afar
... but glad we are afar that's exactly what me and the other Brits here (Spain) have been saying recently.

The other alternative is that BJ appends his own letter to the request for an extension saying he's being forced to by law but he doesn't agree with it and will do everything he can to make ourselves the biggest nuisance including vetoing anything possible, disrupting meetings with nonsense agenda points, etc.

Because that is exactly what any prospsective trade partners need to know upfront, right ? Tories are free to back that approach if they like, but it's hardly greasing the post Brexit slipway is it ?

Our current tenants are on housing benefit so I am not worried about right to buy for them. If it were to come in I would have to consider how likely would a particular tenant be to request it before renting to them. It may hit middle income renters hardest as they would be seen as the biggest RTB risk.

Yet most Housing Association Tenant don’t have RTB.

NotALawyer injuctions are used to stop someone doing an act, they're not used to compel someone to do something, so for that reason I don't think Johnson will be subject to an injunction in the way you suggested.

The Civil Contingencies Act can't be used simply at ministerial whim either, (although it does give ministers a wide power to interpret an event as an 'emergency' so there is scope for potential misuse) - see section 1 here: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/section/1

FWIW I'd be much more tickled to see Johnson being ordered to pay substantial damages as a result of his malfeasance in public office than to see him go to prison - not just because it would 'hit him where it hurts' but also because the symbolism/propaganda value of locking him up for a cause could misfire on Anti-No Dealers.

Yet most Housing Association Tenant don’t have RTB.

IIRC I think they called that the right to acquire or something like that

Thought Saj looked and sounded exactly what he is on the Andrew Mars show, mediocre. A very mediocre politician and not a very good liar.

Arborea

Injunctions can be used to compel action. They are called mandatory injunctions.

Prohibitory injunctions are more common.

ukandeu.ac.uk/research-papers/no-deal-brexit-issues-impact-implications/

I’m sure this has already been posted but it’s the easiest to understand piece I have found to explain the issues around the No deal scenario.

Even Anunziata Rees Mogg on Newsnight conceded a No Deal scenario must be planned for.

So whilst Government war games itself into oblivion. Have a read.

Thought Saj looked and sounded exactly what he is on the Andrew Mars show, mediocre. A very mediocre politician and not a very good liar.

I seem to recall the Israelites used to dress up the goat they kicked into the wilderness, to carry their sins. (Although I have no desire to spend 3 years on a journey to the Holy Land with a pregnant wife just to be able to paint it "from life" to find out. That would be bonkers )

Just another

Right to acquire is very limited. There is a pilot scheme to extend RTB to HA but in general HA tenants don’t have RTB

england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/council_housing_association/right_to_acquire_housing_association_homes

Ah ok Chazs I was working from memory on that one and its not great at the best of times lol

I'm in Waitrose cafe eating an almond croissant how very MN of me

The only paper left to read is the Torygraph and this is the cartoon they have. Given that both commentators underneath are completely pro-Boris and everything he is doing one assumes this cartoon is celebratory, not critical...

I'm sure RTB for private tenants would not hurt the landlords. You would demand more money to sell it if you owned it than you bought it for and the majority of landlords in my area buy properties for the barest minimum do them up for the least money and charge quite high rents. I know my dds landlord bought the property she's in for less than £60,000 promised to put new bathroom and kitchen which he hasn't, put her rent up, ( bought off another landlord) and has since cleared off to Spain where he resides, takes 4-6 weeks to contact him for repairs through letting agency and they in turn then have to wait up to 6 months for him to get back for go ahead to said repairs. So as you can imagine I'm not that enamoured to private landlords and I know that this landlord probably is not the norm.

And before anyone says my dd should complain about landlord the last time she did that she was given an eviction order ( the one where you don't need to give a reason why you want to evict) and had to get out within 3 weeks along with dgd. And still could not get a council house or a housing association house even though born in this town and has lived here all her 37 years.

Whatever happened to the "not vote at all" movement that briefly showed it's face a while back ? Even Farage got caught up in it, suggesting they deliberately abstain ?

I mention it, because on some other fora I use (admittedly not a cross section ) there is a hell of a "I won't vote, there's no point since my last vote was ignored" type of posturing. But in general Leavers claim they'd back Labour.

Of course a campaign to not vote is presumably party apolitical ? So couldn't be subject to spending limits ?

In any election campaign, there really should be a move to simply highlight what the protagonists have gone on record saying previously, and force their campaigns to firefight that, rather than spout new bollocks. Spread their PPC budget thinly ...

RTB for landlords who have inherited but perhaps cannot afford to move in yet *such as my friend) - sorry my right bracket key not working - will be forced to sell a home they want to live in. I definitely think those with more than 1 rental should be the focus here.

DGR

Re: RTB. I would also hope it would protect anyone in a negative equity situation.

Paying fair market value at the moment where I am would mean a significant reduction - so you would potentially have lost money.

If someone has done it instead of investing in a pension for example - I really wouldn't be comfortable backing a law that would force them to sell before they want to resulting in them losing out.

True Chaz but AIUI they're pretty rare - and it would probably be difficult to find an applicant who could persuade the Court that they'd suffer serious harm, and would most likely succeed at trial. I guess it might be an opportunity to see the lesser spotted quia timet injunction in the wild, although I imagine most of the judiciary would be filing that kind of application in the 'too political' drawer...

Of course a campaign to not vote is presumably party apolitical ? So couldn't be subject to spending limits ?

I'm trying to start a campaign locally focusing on getting 18-25s registered and to the polls. Not party political but of course...not many 18-25 year old Tories.