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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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Sostenueto · 08/09/2019 11:10

jesuis agree to certain extent but a bit confused about if you inherit property ( which cost you nothing) why you could not afford to move in to it. If I inherited a property I'd be moved in as soon as possible! Think of the money I could save, no mortgage sell my property ( if I owned it ) at a profit of course, might have to relocate but well I see more pros than cons. But you are right about multiple ownership landlords.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:15

What I might support is a law about RTB on rental properties which only applies to properties rented out after the date it comes into force.

I hate laws that are brought in which may have significantly impacted someone's decision making process had they known it was going to happen and applied across the board.

If it only applied to properties rented out after x date or bought after x date then it will have the desired impact of reducing BTL from that point on without negative impact on those already letting out their properties.

Sostenueto · 08/09/2019 11:15

What effect on the housing market will a no deal brexit do?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:16

Labour Whips
@labourwhips
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Leaked cabinet papers to @MoS_Politics show that Michael Gove is preparing to mobilise 1600 troops to drive ⛽️ tankers to deal with fuel shortages as a result of a no-deal Brexit. If ⛽️ supplies are seriously disrupted, a ‘declaration of emergency’ would introduce fuel rationing.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 11:17

Arborea
The judiciary are certainly worried about being dragged into politics I went a very interesting talk by Lord Thomas after he retired as LCJ which touched on this.

I think they might well find someone with standing for an injunction hearing. Someone whose medication might not be obtainable under no deal for example.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 11:18

So as you can imagine I'm not that enamoured to private landlords and I know that this landlord probably is not the norm.

They are in my experience. The suggestion that suddenly benefit recipients would become desired is interesting - and galling that yet again those of us who work for a living would get kicked hard. Some of us already wonder exactly what is the point when we would have been better off living on benefits all along. Housing policy needs a lot of clear thinkers, with thorough case studies of all possible 'unforeseen consequences', probably involving communications with all the local housing departments, perhaps with local flexibility for different circumstances. Exactly what you never get out of soundbite government.

I have also got more sympathy for landlords with one or two rentals, than those with a dozen or more.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 11:19

Let’s not forget encouraging a specific group not to vote was a Cambridge Analytica campaign in Trinidad and Tobago. Which helped their candidate win.

If you can suppress enough Labour voters by not having them vote at all that’s good enough.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 11:24

Labour Whips
@labourwhips
· 4h
Leaked cabinet papers to @MoS_Politics show that Michael Gove is preparing to mobilise 1600 troops to drive ⛽️ tankers to deal with fuel shortages as a result of a no-deal Brexit. If ⛽️ supplies are seriously disrupted, a ‘declaration of emergency’ would introduce fuel rationing.

Once again how can No Deal be not an emergency and an emergency at the same time ?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 11:24

The simple answers to addressing the private rental market is build social housing where it is needed and/or invest more outside of the SE to reduce the the attractiveness of moving to London and the Home Counties.

I say that as someone who lives in London and owns a rental property (and is centre right politically).

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:29

What effect on the housing market will a no deal brexit do?

Lib Dem's are the main contender to Tories here so I can't be threatened into voting for Labour policies of legalising the forced sale of private property by no deal thankfully.

OublietteBravo · 08/09/2019 11:29

I don’t think I have a particular problem with RTB as a policy. So long as it doesn’t affect people’s main home (e.g. if you rent out part of your family home - such as a granny flat, then I’d be uncomfortable with RTB applying to that situation).

Tanith · 08/09/2019 11:30

"Hunt is a lightweight; "

You think so?

Trump likes Hunt. He denies knowing Gove.

Violetparis · 08/09/2019 11:31

Britain Elects have posted a couple of polls today and yesterday with interesting results. The latest one by Deltapoll is showing

CON 31% (-4%)
LAB 28% (+4%)
LDEM 17% (-1%)
BREX 13% (-1%)

The one yesterday by Panelbase also had CON (31%) and LAB (28%).

I'm not sure if I am pleased with the swing away from the Tories or worried that it makes a pact with the Brexit Party inevitable.

Violetparis · 08/09/2019 11:32

Meant to add I know it's only a couple of polls and I have no idea how good the polling companies are.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 11:32

Isn't it just a left wing example of 'I'm alright jack' thinking?

Would those supporting it be okay with it if they were the ones who were going to be forced into selling something they own?

Driedlimes · 08/09/2019 11:32

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude
I agree.
My original point on the proposal Lab are looking at is that it isn't some sort of far left seizure of capital - in fact the main criticism on here it's that it's ineffectual.

However I know how the DM etc will characterise it.

Interesting to see Javid v McDonnell on Marr.

One seemed reasonable, honest, capable & in control & it wasn't Javid.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:34

Paul Brand
@PaulBrandITV
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NEW: John McDonnell suggests Labour has given up on the idea of negotiating its own ‘jobs first’ Brexit deal with the EU. Instead he says they’d scrape together the deal discussed during Labour’s talks with Theresa May in the spring and put that to a referendum. #Marr

DarkAtEndOfUK · 08/09/2019 11:34

In my view mojo the people who should own those houses are the ones who pay for them. And that, for all your protests, is the tenant, not the landlord. Those investments you've worked so hard for are paid for by us tenants, and what do we get out of it exactly?

Sostenueto · 08/09/2019 11:36

Oh so true dark. In fact my dd is worrying about when dd goes to uni. She will lose CB and UC and as she already works full time on minimum wage her rent ( which she has no help with) is £600per month, her wage just £1000 a month, council tax £125 a month she cannot see his she will be able to afford to live there once dgd goes to uni.

Apileofballyhoo · 08/09/2019 11:37

The simple answers to addressing the private rental market is build social housing where it is needed and/or invest more outside of the SE to reduce the the attractiveness of moving to London and the Home Counties.

100% agree, Chaz.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 11:39

Think polls are showing we voters are a fickle bunch.

Wish more of them would show the ‘don’t knows’.

Sostenueto · 08/09/2019 11:39

And. Before anyone says she will have to work longer hours her job caring for adult autistic sufferers is challenging enough ( just had stitches out after being bitten 2 weeks ago and all for the minimum wage) and no there are no other jobs.

Sostenueto · 08/09/2019 11:41

Regarding registering to vote. When should my dgd ( 18 in January) register to vote?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 11:41

According to Twitter Greens and LibDems are standing aside for Rory Stewart, wtf does this make any sense?

LyraParry · 08/09/2019 11:42

I rent and don't support rtb for private tenants (or anyone actually). It all just further pushes the idea that renting is a Bad Thing and everyone must own a house.

I'd a million times rather tenants' rights were the focus of improvement. Good landlords (like by current one) would have nothing to fear by strengthening tenant's ability to get repairs done because they do repairs as required.