Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

Right to Buy screwed the social rental sector. Why should it not do the same (albeit in different ways) to the private rental sector?
It’s a stupid, counterproductive policy wherever it is. Have people do well for themselves in properly paid jobs, not by surfing the housing market.

^ then RTB is unnecessary^
I appreciate there's a serious debate going on here about right to buy, but every time you all use RTB I keep think your talking about redtoothbrush and I don't get why she'd be seen as unnecessary. Think I need some fresh air

I don't think there are many people in Ireland looking back at pre-EEC days with rose tinted glasses either.

We didn't have a large manufacturing economy. We had poverty.

Labour should not frighten off all the LLs or potential LLs, because that's a sizeable chunk of the electorate

The desire of property owners to protect the value of their assets - and windfalls for those who had them -
was probably the strongest factor in politics, until Brexit came along

and there are much better ways of protecting tenants

After all, RTB does nothing to help those who can not / don't wish to buy

I can't really see Leavers happily taking to petrol rationing

I can, if they get to blame Remoaners/Corbyn/the EU/

If you can't - or don't want to - deliver a feelgood by actually improving peoples lives, the next best thing is to make them think its someone elses fault.

As an aside if you had to pay a fee to join Facebook, with a %age going in tax, I suspect a lot of "accounts" would disappear overnight.

Worrying re Facebook.

But you would hope that more people are aware of what went on during Referendum and would be alert for utter drivel particularly if you are in a swing marginal.

Maybe people just aren’t cynical enough especially if they think it’s coming from someone they think they know or trust.

ListeningQuietly absolutely. Only way to lower rents and keep house prices from going up is to build more social housing.

Still that doesn't keep the lower classes down.

I also think tenants' rights are hugely important, and renting should be an acceptable and practical alternative to owning.

Chuka - I agree with you about Gove’s potential role. I always thought that he was sincere when he decapitated Boris in the leadership election and that he realised that Boris would be a disaster. He is also one of the few cabinet ministers who have spoken about the implications of No Deal, and said this week that he would vote for the WA again.

I could see a situation where Cummings/Johnson dig themselves into an even deeper hole and Gove becomes the new leader.

oops, red You are of course essential to us ! 😂💐

I know I keep seeing RTB and thinking RedToothBrush

I'm another one who kept reading RTB as redtoothbrush

Redtoothbrush does nothing to help those who can not/don't wish to buy.

shame on red

@red I am concerned that the govt could invoke the Civil Contingencieis Act in October
which iirc gives them the right to make or repeal laws without Parliament

The CCA doesn't have to be approved by Parliament for 30 days
(it can then be extended by Parliamentaary vote every 30 days)

So they could repeal the bill reauiring BJ to request an extension

I'm sure there would be court challenges to the CCA and why it was invoked

However, while all that is going on, the clock is running down and no judge is going to apply any penalty to BJ until the challenges are resolved

Pretty certain the next page in the play book when things go bad is to "blame Remoaners". They have shown no sign of owning their shit up to this point.
As someone who was a driver during the last petrol strike , it was about the only thing that made be grateful that my Dad has just died - I wouldn't have last minute mercy dashed on the motorway to deal with.

BCF heavy police presence yesterday and clashes and arrests. Can a reason to invoke CCA be manufactured?

*@RedToothBrush
Perhaps you clever people should stop talking about this - I feel like you're giving them ideas!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3686789-Westminstenders-The-Rule-of-Law?watched=1

New thread

British short-termism is going to be a long-term problem

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-british-short-termism-is-going-to-be-a-long-term-problem/

the cavalier attitude of the government to the norms and conventions of the Westminster model
have raised fundamental questions about the constitutional settlement in the country.

Key in that was the quibbling this past weekend from government ministers about whether they would follow the legal obligations of the text that Parliament is now putting into law.
Those ministers might have argued that they didn’t know what the text would say, but that is completely beside the point:

The law is the law and no one – not even governments; especially not governments – is above that.

This all comes in the cratering of trust between the institutions of the state.

The government doesn’t trust its own MPs to vote in line with ministers’ preferences;
Parliament doesn’t trust the government not to abuse its prerogative powers to sidestep the checks and balances;

and no faction in the debate over what should be done about Brexit really trusts another faction enough to compromise.

Highlight fail.

Sorry that was meant to highlight what RTB (not right to buy!) and Big choc said.

Pretty certain the next page in the play book when things go bad is to "blame Remoaners". They have shown no sign of owning their shit up to this point.

I don't know; this is where you can't control what people will do.

ballyhoo Yes, very easily,
but as posted, it would need to be invoked in October, to give 30 days before Parliament can cancel the CCA

We’re already on the Blame Remoaners page and have been for some time.

Can I ask a massive favour, please? Can we leave the RTB/landlord derailment on this thread and not carry it into the next one. I suspect I’m not the only one finding it distracting.

Can a reason to invoke CCA be manufactured?

Of course. And if the press remain as complicit as they have done so far, make no mistake, it will be swallowed hook line and sinker. Bearing in mind I'll wager there's a clause tucked away in the CCA which takes control of the media anyway. And once the obvious opposition has been removed by whatever means necessary, the whole lumbering apparatus of fascism will come after the press next.

"The Rise Of The Nazis" was well paced as a documentary, with a pleasing closing of the guy who helped crowbar Hitler into power getting a bullet to the brain. Which really happened.

BCF is the "dead in a ditch" and all that to encourage the mob to mobilise?