Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

Corbyn led temp govt passes WA then goes for GE, campaigning on Boris is a quitter, we delivered Brexit, with intention of CU+SM if elected.

As a Remainer, that would do me. For Corbyn, he's delivered the Brexit for Jobs as promised. But will the zealous BeLeavers think that?

Most people I think, wouldn't care enough. But some BeLeavers will get their blue passports so will be happy.

Perhaps there is such a thing as a politician being too honest.

If 1 thing that comes out of this is more honesty and more transparency its at least 1 positive. I think that if Labour came back to the country pragmatically and said 'this is what a SM/CU deal looks like personally were going to let our MP's vote freely with their conscience/constituencies' Doesnt have to be adversarial

Imagine the optics: Boris quits, refusing to write extension request. Corbyn led temp govt passes WA then goes for GE, campaigning on Boris is a quitter, we delivered Brexit, with intention of CU+SM if elected.

Nice (we can dream) - and what about also promising a referendum on the final terms agreed with the EU?

Thank you BCF.

I don’t really understand why we cant have an election!! If the Lib Dem’s and labour are so convinced that we all don’t want brexit why don’t they think there will not beat the standing government!! We could have an election mid October then ask for a extension as they will no doubt beat the conservatives!! Or maybe they don’t trust the great British people!! Not to vote in Borris and co again.

@Cwenthryth
It is not even vaguely mixed up thinking:

Labour have said they want to negotiate a deal {manifesto explicitly excluded no deal in case you forgot}
So they will try and negotiate a deal unconstrained by the May Red lines.
They will then put it to a vote vs a remain option.
(what other option is there to try and get a mandate?)

Emily said, in that vote, she personally will campaign for remain, I'd expect labour as a party to decide whether to campaign for remain or the deal depending on the deal. (why would you expect them to state now how they will campaign on an unknown deal?)

However - any 'deal' could only relate to the WA - removal of red lines would only impact the political declaration - so I'd only expect statements from the EU to the effect that the backstop will be redundant in the light of the rewritten PD - it'll still be there. So effectively the vote will be WA vs remain. Am happy with that.

There are reports that Phil Hogan will be appointed EU commissioner for trade. If this happens, then an Irish man will be running the future trade negotiations on behalf of the Eu.

www.independent.ie/business/brexit/bruiser-hogan-sent-in-to-cut-brexit-deal-38475552.html

No they don't trust Boris not to completely crash the UK economy, once the Benn Bill gets Royal Assent (probably Monday) and then enacted into law, Boris can have the election he so desperately wants, its only for a few days, you know like when he's going to completely shut down parliament, just a few days there there

The don’t want a GE because they cannot control the date - so BJ could call one for after the 31 Oct and push on with no deal in the meantime. There is no mechanism for ensuring that the GE would happen before the Brexit deadline. Other than relying on BJ’s word. He could say it would be beforehand and then change his mind.

I don’t really understand why we cant have an election!!
You can - when we are safe from no deal - how difficult is that to understand?
'winning' an election that has been pushed back beyond 31st October would be the most senseless of pyrrhic victories.

I thought it was interesting that the most recent email from BJ to Tory Party members was headed “2019 General Election” - it was definitely trying to frame the situation as Corbyn blocking something which would normally occur (even though under FTPA the next GE is scheduled for 2022).

It's the time factor that makes it tricky:

Persistent contempt of court can get someone jailed until they do what they are ordered

However, since the bill requires BJ to ask from 19 October, that's only a couple weeks until Brexit
imo, he could string things out pretty easily until No Deal actually happens
Then the whole case becomes irrelevant
Fait accompli

Blimey nanalisa60, I think you are being naive. The opposition parties want an election but their priority for the country is to avoid no deal....yes they are worried that people may not get their medicines, lose their jobs in manufacturing, peace in NI etc.
So while Boris and Cummins play fast and loose with the British "constitution" which relies on fair play and the law to destroy the UK economy "for tax benefits", including shutting down democracy by preroguing parliament, do you really expect the opposition parties to fall for their childish goading with a disaster capitalist economic policy....really?

Does BJ crave being leader of does he crave a place in history?

Hes got his goal - he is PM. Hes probably realising its bloody hard work and difficult.

If he refuses to ask for an extension and we crash out - he may face jail, but he would be seen as a hero - well for a short time anyway.

And his place in history books would be assured. It may not be kind but it's still there and he will be talked about for many years to come.

Poster imo if we have a PV, then the best policy for all parties is to let their MPs campaign according to their beliefs

We've had too many MPs sacked already, too many splits, cries of "traitor"

Not sure why an Irish EU Trade Commissioner is an alarming idea.
Anyone in London & protesting later? I have my RTB with me.

and a part of me wonders if MN is actually targeted by CCHQ or BXP

^^ This.

Like a giant focus group on here at times.

“Quick find out what they think of/know about *GFA/Corbyn/no deal/services v goods”

*delete as applicable.

Jo Maugham QC
@JolyonMaugham
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He might be bound only "in theory" but in practice he'll either see the extension delivered or he'll go to prison.

Mumsnet must be a huge resource for journos / politicians etc.
What is the female equivalent of Mondeo man?

PMK Thank you BCF

and a part of me wonders if MN is actually targeted by CCHQ or BXP

Absolutely sure it is. The way the site is used by journalists is significant.

I keep that in mind with what I post.

I don't think the LDs or Labour pay attention for various reasons though (partly because they are not as closely tied to the press in the same way) and I think that is a missed opportunity.

^Why Johnson and his aides briefing press about deliberately breaking the law all need to calm down

Or get good criminal defence lawyers

A thread^

twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1170274547783950337?s=21

If BJ really wants his place in history - he could Revoke

He's the only PM who could possibly get away with that
and we know he doesn't actually give a damn about Brexit, just about himself

Even Revoke after winning a PV would bring great bitterness
whereas from the politician who won it for Leave and seems able to sell them anything ....

After recent events, I have raised my assessment of his likelihood to Revoke from 1% to 5%