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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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Notagreatstart1234 · 06/09/2019 18:49

"Leg-up" , rather!

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 18:54

Also, the Leave voters I know are those from working class Labour communities, I have no idea what more affluent Tory Leave voters think

You said you had 'no idea' Violet so now you do have some idea.

If you had actually bothered to read the policies that Corbyn has actually produced, you might feel a little more alarmed as well. We are going to see a huge investor flight on day one.

BonnesVacances · 06/09/2019 18:56

What does PMK mean? I can't work it out and have googled too. Blush

Apileofballyhoo · 06/09/2019 18:57

We are going to see a huge investor flight on day one

It's the Tory Brexit that is causing money and investment to leave the country.

GirlsBlouse17 · 06/09/2019 18:57

I can tell you now that none of my family - in 3 EU countries - would want the UK in the EU again. How that translates up into the real world is a complex beast, but I doubt many EU27 politicians are going to be getting much support for a "Free the UK1" campaign. in fact quite the reverse. I can see a lot of EU parties suddenly becoming very popular with a "fuck the UK" policy - cf. de Gaulle. Especially if a post Brexit UK becomes entwined with the US (as de Gaulle warned and feared all along

I'm sorry, I really didn't want to harp back to the war but your post has upset me. If it wasn't for the UK and the US, many EU countries might still be ruled under fascism. Charles De Gaulle was able to broadcast to the French during the war from the UK. I'm not saying that Europe should be forever thankful but to tell the UK to fuck off is just nasty. Just because the UK has voted to take a different path, doesn't mean we should be reviled. We still want a relationship with the EU and a relationship with other countries too.

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 18:59

Interesting that no one can answer the question about what a Labour Brexit Deal looks like.

It just shows that, no matter what you think of the Tories, the problem here is that there are no magical answers compatible with the confides of reality.

As a PP said, the last thing we need is Corbyn and co to kick the can down the road for a few more years.

Alsohuman · 06/09/2019 18:59

Affluent tories will vote to save their homes and businesses, and vote for Boris of course. The fear of having a Corbyn government far outweighs any concerns about brexit I can assure you

That doesn’t appear to be entirely true. Two of the big banks are apparently cosying up to Corbyn. They prefer him to no deal.

yolofish · 06/09/2019 18:59

had to laugh today, Sky has access to an unredacted memo from BJ in which he refers to DC as a "girly swot"!! What kind of language is that? Are we in the playground still? no, dont answer, I know I know...

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 19:00

apile You haven't seen anything yet. IF we were to ever end up with a hard left government the country is truly finished.

At the moment investment is still pouring in, the city of London are excited in part about aspects of brexit and the opportunities. Brexit offers some great opportunities. You will see none of this with a Corbyn government, the two are not even comparable. But you carry on and vote for him, and you will see what happens. It will be far worse than anything Brexit could do, pretty much everyone knows that.

pumkinspicetime · 06/09/2019 19:01

Affluent tories will vote to save their homes and businesses

Corbyn wouldn't be their first choice but Citi bank and Deutsche bank both saying he was better than no deal was noted by the remain Tories I know.
Corbyn is still currently a stretch too far for some but no deal isn't good for homes, assets or many businesses.

BoringUserName00 · 06/09/2019 19:01

@56BonnesVacances I think PMK is short for Place Marking so you can follow the thread without yet posting any comments

PerkingFaintly · 06/09/2019 19:03

Parliament channel currently showing Lords committee on the Fixed Terms Parliament Act, with Dr Ruth Fox as one of the witnesses.

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 19:03

also what banks??? You need to tell us all.

The bank of North Korea and Palestine?

We work in banking and we have a relocation and investment plan in place for a hard left Corbyn government, not for brexit which is rather telling. For brexit we hired a few cheap desks in Amsterdam.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 06/09/2019 19:03

Perking
She knows now, I gave her Chapter and Verse :)

Lord knows the Tommy Robinson thug on the march was scarey
But her unthinking remarks were depressing
When you have a PM who feels able to make remarks about 'piccaniines with watermelon smiles' and 'slebs' who publish pics comparing the Queens Great grandson with a chimp then- of course

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 19:05

I am alarmed by everything that is happening in politics and in this country Greenpeacefriendforlife

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:06

We work in banking and we have a relocation and investment plan in place for a hard left Corbyn government, not for brexit which is rather telling. For brexit we hired a few cheap desks in Amsterdam.

Got to keep them bonuses amiright?

Oh and cool story bro

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 19:07

Violet My father ticks most of the stereotypical wealthier Brexiteer boxes.

He is in no way rich but certainly comfortable. He has a working class background but worked hard starting his own business. Did very nicely under Thatcher and her share sell offs.

He thinks we should just Leave. He doesn’t understand the complexities. As far as he is concern we signed up to be a trading block and that’s all we should be. Is he happy with TM deal ? Yes. Once I explained why the agreement wasn’t what the Daily Mail said it was.

Will he take to the streets if No Deal doesn’t happen. No.

Oddly though he does dislike Johnson as much as I do.

Alsohuman · 06/09/2019 19:07

Citi Bank and Deutsche Bank @Greenpeacefriendforlife.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 06/09/2019 19:07

sorry posted too soon

'Of course people like that think they can openly state racist views'

Hasenstein · 06/09/2019 19:08

greenpeace

No, it was Citibank and Deutsche Bank. Even the Telegraph reported this, so I'm surprised you hadn't noticed.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/corbyn-better-no-deal-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 19:09

Greenpeace
Which hard left Labour policies are you worried about?
Could you link to them on the Labour Party website / Manifesto?

I'm not a fan of Corbyn
but the hard right Non Dom media are doing a concerted hatchet job at the moment
and otherwise rational people are falling for it

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:09

Ok Bear I explained it early but I know you do struggle with comprehension and critical thinking, what a Lexit looks like is this, Single Market and Customs Union close alignment so that we dont rip up the GFA which I realise the Conservative and Unionist Party dont give much of a shit about because as long as its other people being bombed you can have that wonderful 1970's nostalgia glow

Apileofballyhoo · 06/09/2019 19:09

Here's a roundup of the financial exodus so far:

US bank giants Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, and Citigroup have moved 250 billion euros ($283 billion) of balance-sheet assets to Frankfurt because of Brexit.
Bank of America is spending $400 million to move staff and operations in anticipation of Brexit, and is trying to persuade London staff to move to Paris.
Barclays last week won permission to shift assets worth £166 billion ($216 billion) to its Irish division. Barclays is set to become Ireland's biggest bank.
France's BNP Paribas, Credit Agricole, and Societe Generale have opted to transfer 500 staff out of London to Paris.
UBS has chosen German financial center Frankfurt for its new EU headquarters.
Swiss peer Credit Suisse is moving 250 jobs to Germany, Madrid, and Luxembourg among other EU 27 countries as well as $200 million from its market division to Germany. And in December Credit Suisse told its wealthiest clients to hurry and move their money out of the UK before Brexit.
Germany's Deutsche Bank is also considering shifting large volumes of assets to Frankfurt as part of its Brexit plan.
HSBC, Europe's biggest bank, has shifted ownership of many of its European subsidiaries from its London-based entity to its French unit.
Australia's largest bank by assets, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, has set in motion plans to base around 50 staff in Amsterdam, and has applied for a banking licence in the country.
Other Australian lenders Macquarie, Westpac, and ANZ are also in talks to move operations to Dublin and continental Europe.
Europe's biggest repo trading venue, called BrokerTec, is being moved to Amsterdam from London, meaning a $240 billion a day repo business is leaving the UK.
More than 100 UK-based asset managers and funds have applied to the Irish central bank for authorization in Ireland.
The impact of these changes will see less tax revenue for the government, fewer jobs, and a dent in dealmaking, taking a shine off the City's luster.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/brexit-damaged-city-of-london-2018-11

Hoooo · 06/09/2019 19:10

My son has already had anti irish comments (whilst wearing an ireland rugby top)

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 19:11

Err we work for CIti and no one ever has supported a hard left UK government, apart from of course Christian Schluz, and guess what he is GERMAN? So has a great deal to gain by talking utter rubbish. He certainly does not speak for anyone we know.

Second one, we are going to be massively surprised to know that this is n a failing German bank: Deutsche Bank!!!

Can you see a theme emerging here?

And you seriously believe that the speak for the city?

You really have to be kidding me. We work for Citi, and there is zero support. As in totally zero for Corbyn.

But of course you can continue to believe the fake news