Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

[RedToothBrush]

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

And stop using 'oh the irony' when you have nothing of substance to say, it comes across as unhinged when we look at the consequences of a labour government at this precise moment in history.

But you don’t seem to be able to explain what those consequences are, which policies you don’t like or have any awareness of the consequences of a ‘No Deal’ Brexit on inward investment and Financial Services.

You haven’t “looked at the consequences of a labour government”. There is a difference between actual policy, policy that can become legislation and a scare story you read on the Internet.

Still peddling the idea that Corbyn Labour are a Remain Party?😂 and that being anti- No Deal makes you a Corbynite?😂
Sadly, that twat is leader of the Opposition and was as democratically elected leader as Johnson was of his party. This Parliament was democratically elected under our sovereign electoral rules.
I don't like it and I don't like him. But I like No Deal even less.
And just as No Dealers have had to get into bed with a duplicitous scumbag line Johnson to try and achieve their goals, I am prepared to hold my nose and support anyone who is an Anti-No Dealer. I suspect Corbyn would love No Deal - just his sort of chaos. But grownups are stopping him.
I lived through Thatcher. I lived through the three day week and power cuts. I am a pretty tough resilient sort of person despite having MS. A Corbyn government would be dreadful but No Deal would be worse and its effects more fundamentally damaging. Notice I said No Deal not Leave. I could live with an orderly Brexit.

Oh good on you lonely it is not because Corbyn IS a laughing stock, it is because people make him out to be one. Okay then

London is [was] the financial capital of the world, and props up a large proportion of the country with the huge sums of money it generates for the UK. Banking and the financial services in general would be killed stone dead with policies like this.

London was the financial capital of the world before Brexit. It's not being killed stone dead by the prospect of a short term Labour government.It's been murdered by the insular protectionism of Brexit.

The City's success was by definition the product of internationalism. We have swapped that for narrow minded nationalism instead. As our prime minister says we are making a titanic success of it, starting with an attitude of F xxx business.

•City financial firms have already had to move thousands of jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK to prepare for Brexit, with the true cost likely to be higher.

•Brexit has also cost firms over £4bn for moving staff, legal advice and contingency plans.

• An initial £2.6bn to build up a presence in other financial centres including Frankfurt, Dublin and Paris.

50 years post Brexit is a far greater threat to the City than 5 years of a Corbyn government focussing on salvaging education and health.





	
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@Greenpeacefriendforlife

My own unscientific survey of colleagues & friends in the City indicates the precise opposite to yours.

Business - as in companies which make & do things - is unilaterally opposed.

Im a bit amused at all the narratives...one hand Corbyn is a chicken and scared and then on the other we should be terrified of Corbyn the chicken because if he was PM he would destroy the economy. Is Corbyn destroying the economy by closing all the chicken shops as some vegertarian vendetta or is he going to destroy everything by turning every shop into a chicken shop?

These are the hard questions you don't see on question time.

But don't let the facts stand in your way

And at the same time, he is also a pragmatist and has to take the Labour party with him....

He has been dragged to this point - but I don't think he has an issue with a Customs Union and close ties to Europe. Which is not really a problem for me either, TBH

I used to be very opposed to Corbyn and also thought he could never get elected
but recently seeing how the hard right attack him
and the rich desperate to get richer
..... makes me pause

When the country is desperate for change, angry at the "rich elite bankers" - why not tax that elite more ?
That policy sounds a vote-winner

I find the hyperbolic use of the word unhinged a good indicator of a visitor.

@BigChocFrenzy

Please see earlier post - I agree with you entirely on immigration points. I was merely trying to demonstrate a policy which might play out well with Labour leavers - & which is common elsewhere in the EU.

I don't know where the misnamed Greenpeace has sprung from, but last time we had a Labour Government, which I admit was Blair's Tory Lite, we had more money for schools and health.

I am all for that myself.

As for Corbyn being hard left, he might be himself, but he is only one man in his party. The Labour manifesto last time seemed to be a pretty standard social democracy set of policies which no one in Germany or Scandinavia would bat an eyelid at.

As for all this apologising for Boris Johnson - he was supposed to want a deal and was going to charm them into giving him a better one, so why is he now saying that he won't go to Brussels? Has he woken up to the fact that his 'charm' worked on the after dinner speech circuit, but is no substitute for proper bargaining?

lonely London is STILL the financial capital of the world, even with brexit. Again you are peddling false information.

Wouldn’t the banks would lose access to the EU ‘passporting’ system in the event of a no deal Brexit? So I’m pretty sure they’d be leaving anyway if the other option to Corbyn was no deal.

Therefore I still maintain that Corbyn is preferable to no deal (I don’t want either). This would be my choice in a GE run along those lines.

FWIW - I shall wear my “dangerously deluded” badge with pride.

@borntobequiet, I've been saying that since the GE was mooted. Bring on the Tory manifesto. This is a 'proper' (as in not advisory) election. They can't lie like the Leave lot did, else the Electoral Commission will have something to say about it.

I want to see exactly what their plans are.

As for my vote, I'll vote tactically to keep the Tories out. We swung from LD to Tory in 2017 and that needs to change, whether to Labour (by holding my nose) or back to LD.

It's utter nonsense to suggest that Corbyn is worse than no deal.

Morning Comrades! 😀

per I sense you have not read Corbyn's latest policies, otherwise you certainly wouldn't be comparing them to anything like Blair. It is the polar opposite. It is concerning that you do not even seem to be able to tell the difference between moderate labour (Blair) and the hard left (Corbyn) they are not the same!

It is concerning that you do not even seem to be able to tell the difference between moderate labour (Blair) and the hard left (Corbyn) they are not the same

Have you learnt the rules of capitals yet?

Your grammar is interesting. Have you lived in the UK for a long time?

Many of us in the city are very excited about leaving the EU.

For all I know you are a 14 year old living in Idaho. You can make whatever claims you like about working in the city, but it doesn’t strengthen your argument if you are are an unknown poster on an anonymous forum.

Obviously BJ has been angling for an election all along.
My fear is that he will win, because Corbyn is disliked / mistrusted.

The most important thing is to put Brexit to bed. Obviously no one wants a No Deal, but the 2 remaining alternatives are PV or TM’s withdrawal agreement.
Although I’m a remainer; given the divisions in the country, I do think the WA is the best compromise. It wouldn’t be my choice but there are so many angry / fed up people who wan to leave.

I think we need to be protected from being annexed by the US, and selling off the nhs etc.
If we leave, it will reduce the power of the far right, as the UK will have left Europe.
Questions are; then when do we have an election? The opposition is only aligned to stop a no deal Brexit. However, it does point in the future towards Coalition governments and there is definitely an appetite for a centrist government; a blend of the former Major and Blair styles of governments.

I also think the break up of the Union is kind of inevitable. A future election would give more seats to the snp, a 2nd Scottish referendum and they would rejoin the EU.

Northern Ireland; the Trickiest question. No idea of the solution, because the back stop in TM’s WA is time limited.

Corbyn is a longterm Lexiter, but he has always said he is opposed to No Deal

oub Not quite sure who will be funding those badges going forward, or the hospitals and schools, but hey ho a three days of electricity will be okay we have candles, foodbanks for all sounds wonderful doesn't it. Why not privatise absolutely everything and we can be like....North Korea. Which is probably where will end up under Corbyn.

I am out for a run. Have fun!

I want to know whether, if under Corbyn, we get free jam? But would that be jam yesterday, jam tomorrow but never jam today?

I remember the 3-day week and long power cuts under the Tories

Sitting in the dark, doing my homework by candlelight

Why not privatise absolutely everything and we can be like....North Korea

Privatise?

Are you sure that's what you meant...

Under these hard right Tories, all the jam is reserved for the rich

Vote Tory so the rich can have more jam