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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:13

Can you see a theme emerging here?

Yes we can but I dont think its the one you want us to see Wink

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 19:14

apile
Relocating assets to another domicile is fascinating
how does that actually impact "main street"?

What income does the average man on the street gain from those assets?

Can you not see that super rich moneybags sulking off to another European city
plays right into the anger of the left behind in Skegness ?
Let them leave is a common refrain.

After all, the hedge fund managers are still fighting to get their kids into the West London private schools and shopping in Beauchamp Place

flouncyfanny · 06/09/2019 19:14

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Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 19:15

Deutsche have literally just closed their trading floors in London because they are bankrupt, so no wonder they are relaxed about Corbyn!

Seriously WAKE UP.

You have to start questioning sources, critical thinking skills need some work.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:16

You have to start questioning sources, critical thinking skills need some work.

The irony Grin

pumkinspicetime · 06/09/2019 19:17

It is also worth noting that banking is only one part of business.
There are business who are extremely concerned about a no deal Brexit.
Plenty of them.
Large multi-nationals who aren't investing in the UK, who have it marked as unstable and of concern.

Grinchly · 06/09/2019 19:17

I see Trump Minor was leading the bull by the horns in Scotland today.

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 19:18

Ok Bear I explained it early but I know you do struggle with comprehension and critical thinking, what a Lexit looks like is this, Single Market and Customs Union close alignment so that we dont rip up the GFA which I realise the Conservative and Unionist Party dont give much of a shit about because as long as its other people being bombed you can have that wonderful 1970's nostalgia glow

just your sarcastic comments about my comprehension make you look foolish. We may not be political aligned but insulting me without substance is just cheap. Your Tory chip on your shoulder is weighing you down.

Show me where Corbyn has explicitly said the above and where’s he’s said we’d drop the red lines needed to achieve this?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:20

From the 2017 Labour manifesto

“Labour will always put jobs and the economy first”

We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.

A Labour government will immediately guarantee existing rights for all EU nationals living in Britain and secure reciprocal rights for UK citizens who have chosen to make their lives in EU countries. EU nationals do not just contribute to our society: they are part of our society. And they should not be used as bargaining chips.

It is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered. As a result three million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty, as have the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU.

A Conservative Brexit will weaken workers’ rights, deregulate the economy, slash corporate taxes, sideline Parliament and democratic accountability, and cut Britain off from our closest allies and most important trading partners.

Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.

The issues that affect our continent now will continue to do so in the future – and Labour will continue to work constructively with the EU and other European nations on issues such as climate change, refugee crises and counter-terrorism.

TheABC · 06/09/2019 19:20

After this week, I am leaning towards "colossal fuckup" rather than "cunning master plan" for Johnson's team. It chimes with everything reported about him from previous jobs and Mr T.Blair's warning about step up that the Prime Minister's role represents.

We should not underestimate him. But I do think he has underestimated everyone else. He thought this would be easy!

I repeat: break Brexit, break Johnson's power. Now, No-Deal has been voted against, Parliament has to choose the option that actually removes it. Probably the WA. Revoke is the only other possibility and I can faintly see it happening if
a) Johnson resigns and
b) Brussels refuses the extension.

Unicorns, I know but it's the only option that does not require a legislative vote.

pumkinspicetime · 06/09/2019 19:21

Just to be clear I'm not saying multi nationals are in favor of a hard left government either, just a lesser of two evils situation.

chomalungma · 06/09/2019 19:21

DF voted Remain. He is well off and lives in what is a reasonably Conservative area. It voted in similar lines to the country on Leave / Remain. Labour comes second.

He won't vote Corbyn. Not at all. I don't think he will vote Conservative - so I am not sure what he will do. His constituency has been polled and seems to have changed its view on Brexit.

I think we might be in a hung Parliament - so the influence of the Lib Dems and SNP will be critical to any large party.

Interesting times....

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 19:23

There are plenty in 'big business' that can see Brexit working out well, its always easy to talk about business as one, bit obviously it is multi faceted.

I am amazed that ANYONE really truly believes that the GE is going to anything other than a disaster for Corbyn

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 19:24

just that just more crap about what we do or don’t want and not how we’d actually achieve it.

More unicorns and nothing to do with what’s possible in practice.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:26

I am amazed that ANYONE really truly believes that the GE is going to anything other than a disaster for Corbyn

Is it cos of Venezuela or North Korea, or his terrorist friends in the IRA and Hamas? Damn Corbyn the wreath laying, non bowing, non singing mac wearing bastards with his two E's at A level

Did I miss anything? Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 19:27

More unicorns and nothing to do with what’s possible in practice.

Citation needed

Apileofballyhoo · 06/09/2019 19:28

ListeningQuietly I was responding to greenpeace saying that assets and investments would leave the country if JC was PM, by pointing out assets and investments have already left the country because of Tory Brexit. I don't expect leave voters to care.

Alsohuman · 06/09/2019 19:29

Here you go @Greenpeacefriendforlife. From that well known left wing paper, The Telegraph.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/corbyn-better-no-deal-brexit-say-investment-banks-anti-capitalist/

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 19:29

Bear Caveat here I am neither a Labour member or voter but my take is they will attempt to renegotiate TMs deal (only PD because WA won’t be opened). With the emphasis on protecting workers rights and remaining in a custom union.

They will then put it to a People’s Vote.

Just is a Labour member and probably has a better idea than me if you ask her.

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 19:30

Did I miss anything?

Yes - the fact he’s actually no better than the Tories and wants to Leave whilst retaining all the perks with absolutely zero idea on how to do it.

green is right - with Corbyn and without a clear anti-Brexit stance (which is achievable in reality) Labour are toast in a GE.

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 19:32

Citation needed

I’d like to see a citation evidencing where Corbyn has said he’d drop the red lines required for his Utopian Brexit first.

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 19:32

apile
No, most leave voters will be glad to see the back of the rich bankers who took the HUGE bailout and still pay themselves millions of pounds a year.

And if they truly understood how offshore finance worked they would chase them out faster.

I'm watching my Linkedin feed at the moment - full of small business people - who are LIVID that London gets all the investment and all the cheap offshore credit.

The anger is getting more crystallised as the Brexit date nears and the HoC do more to intervene
the fact that the HoC is right and the businessmen are wrong is utterly irrelevant

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 19:33

Caveat here I am neither a Labour member or voter but my take is they will attempt to renegotiate TMs deal (only PD because WA won’t be opened). With the emphasis on protecting workers rights and remaining in a custom union.

As above, what red lines will they drop to achieve this and where have they committed to doing so?

Myriade · 06/09/2019 19:34

'De Gaulle was right" is one of the first comments my parents said about the mayhem of Brexit.

chomalungma · 06/09/2019 19:34

Did I miss anything

He won't nuke people just because he is Prime Minister and has a lots of nuclear weapons.

He should of course just say - of course I will nuke someone - because if he ever has to get to that stage, the world is fucked anyway so what does it matter.