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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 18:16

Many a true word ....

Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 18:18

At least the BBC have been carrying the police criticism of Boris stunt yesterday. If nothing else, let's hope it means a sight of speeches before he gives them (yes, I know)

Motheroffourdragons · 06/09/2019 18:19

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Songsofexperience · 06/09/2019 18:22

So devious!!!

JasperRising · 06/09/2019 18:22

Yes, but leaving - as we know - won't address the slightest iota of that. All that will happen is that Remainers will get pelted with wasps nests for messing up what should have been a Beautiful Brexit.

Which is a very lowering thought and makes me despair for society as I don't see how we can hope to resolve these divisions.

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 18:23

DGR your contempt for those communities shines through in that post. Maybe for the first time in decades their vote for Leave has made politicians take notice of them, promising them the mone to them that should have been invested years ago. Whether they keep to those promises is another matter, probably not.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 06/09/2019 18:23

PMK
I was in a small antique/curio type shop today.
I saw a small silver filigree Malta cross priced modestly.
I decided to buy it - my Great Grandmother was full Maltese, and came over during WW2 with her daughters to escape the bombing. (she arrived in Glasgow, and remembered the cold and the accent barrier to her dying day) Her British husband served throughout WW2.
The owner of the shop said: 'I grew up there, my Father was in the Forces, have you been there on holiday?' so I explained I had family there still and about the Maltese Great Grandmother.
Owner said: 'Oh, all these foreigners coming here, can't even speak the language'. Clearly growing up there as the child of a Forces man was okay, but one of the brown-skinned ones coming here was not.
I put her right. I also told her to cancel the sale. Bigot.

I only ever seem to post personal stuff here sorry, but i do read everything.

Peregrina · 06/09/2019 18:24

What about the Remainers though, who have been ignored for the past 3 years plus?

Majority Leave voting communities are often communities that have felt ignored by politicians and London for decades now.

That's what Boris Johnson is playing on. But many are not - many are the smug Tories of the South East of England. Many of the considerably less smug Tories of the South East are now politically homeless, unless they fall in with the LibDems.

If there are queues at Dover in a 'no deal' it will be because of business's failure to ensure paperwork is in order.

But I am not sure how much of the blame will 'stick'. I do think that the Tories have unleashed something which they can't now control.

I can't help but think that we Remainers have got a million plus people out onto the streets. Farage hasn't been able to do that yet. Nor has he yet been able to win a by-election. So we will have to see.

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 18:24

What Gove also fails to grasp is that a very large amount of small businesses do not either export or import directly but our suppliers and customers do. So we are at the mercy of other businesses getting it right.

Adding paperwork and bureaucracy does not help any business.

Peregrina · 06/09/2019 18:26

Election date of October the 15th was to stop students voting.
Typical.

Postal and proxy votes are your friends here. So if you have DCs at university, or people abroad, get this sorted NOW. Don't wait. Proxy votes are best for people abroad because of slow postal services.

Songsofexperience · 06/09/2019 18:28

Maybe for the first time in decades their vote for Leave has made politicians take notice of them, promising them the mone to them that should have been invested years ago.

It's however clear by now that those leavers won't get what they want, only wreck the country even more. So why would they hang on to that vote even now? Why would they not support a remain Labour manifesto. I don't get the appetite for destruction here (Sorry yes, I am in a bubble but this is a genuine question).

PerkingFaintly · 06/09/2019 18:30

God almighty, ARoom. It's like they come from twat central.Sad

Her knowledge didn't quite stretch to Malta's George Cross, then? And the reasons for it?

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 18:34

They hang onto that vote because Leave won the referendum.

pumkinspicetime · 06/09/2019 18:34

promising them the mone to them that should have been invested years ago.

I know people in this group who voted leave for this reason. But they won't get this money. They never were going to get this money.
I don't think permanently damaging the UK for this reason is okay.

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 18:36

Also, the Leave voters I know are those from working class Labour communities, I have no idea what more affluent Tory Leave voters think.

OublietteBravo · 06/09/2019 18:37

Just had the annual electoral register letter. I’m bothered by the ungrammatical job title of the person sending the letter.

Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 18:39

oubliette
That job title means that the Democratic Services Manager and the Members Services Manager are now the same person rather than both the heads of teams of five - as they should be to ensure that elections are well run Sad

Peregrina · 06/09/2019 18:41

I have no idea what more affluent Tory Leave voters think.

I do sadly. Usually with loud braying voices which say nothing, and think that their money has been got by hard work, which mostly it hasn't.

Greenpeacefriendforlife · 06/09/2019 18:43

Violet Affluent tories will vote to save their homes and businesses, and vote for Boris of course. The fear of having a Corbyn government far outweighs any concerns about brexit I can assure you.

Oakenbeach · 06/09/2019 18:45

The EU may think that too and hence refuse any extension just to make the HoC finally choose WA or No Deal

In MPs are backed into a corner, and it’s the WA vs No Deal scenario - no other feasible options, how many MPs wouldn’t vote for it?

bellinisurge · 06/09/2019 18:46

@OublietteBravo , turning adjectives into nouns is de rigeur. Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, for example.

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 18:46

The Leavers I know also say that they would have accepted the Remain result if it had gone the other way and I do believe that.

Notagreatstart1234 · 06/09/2019 18:48

I live in a fairly affluent part of the South East. I'd say that the Leave voters I've met round here have been people with a particular kind of worldview: they see themselves as the decent, silent middle-class majority and believe that everyone is out to screw them over. They largely favoured austerity (until they couldn't get a GP appointment) because they believed that they were constantly missing out to workshy "scumbags" who were getting all the perks. They believe that immigrants, the Scots, the Irish, the poor, gays and pretty much any other group that you'd care to mention are all taking advantage of them. Believing that we're being persecuted by the other EU member states is just another facet of their victim complex. It's a mentality that the Daily Mail sells brilliantly: "you are the cream of Britain and everyone else is getting an unfair set-up above you". Which isn't to say that they're bad people, on a day to day basis, if you know them. They just have a heavy sense of entitlement.

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 18:49

Greenpeaceforlife you don't need to assure me, I know affluent Tories won't vote Corbyn.

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