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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 17:40

"He of all MPs could reasonably argue his constituents accept him and his views Brexit stance and all."

and also accept his disgusting racist campaign against Khan ?

Tanith · 26/05/2019 17:42

Beware the loud, communal NO!, Mr Johnson. You might hear it sooner than you think.

Unfortunately, I don't think Boris Johnson is capable of reacting to it as Andy Burnham did.

dreichuplands · 26/05/2019 17:42

If they voted for him they must have accepted it. (They really shouldn't have)

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 17:44

Yep, let's hope Zac is booted out next GE on his racist opportunist arse

With the LDems riding high and the Tories in meltdown, looks a good chance atm

tobee · 26/05/2019 17:48

Would it be a good or bad or neutral thing if leavers are dim enough to vote UKIP instead of Brexit Party split the leave vote tonight?

Basilpots · 26/05/2019 17:48

No way I’m getting excited Farages tactics of switching it away from a leaving the Eu to a question of democracy thing might have worked.

Mistigri · 26/05/2019 17:49

EP election exit polls starting to be published.

Looking good for Greens, bad for social democrats and neo-fascists in Germany. Very high turnout.

Nationalists have underperformed in the Netherlands.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 17:50

Some more turnouts (2014 in brackets for comparison):

Kingston Upon Hull: 24% (26.9%)
York: 39.94% (30.8%)
Allerdale: 33.8% (36%) Area around Workington, Cumbria
Rushcliffe: 47.1% (40.2%) Ken Clarke Land
Stafford: 35.6% (33.2%)
Basildon: 25.7% (32%)
Barking and Dagenham: 31.56% (37.8%)
Kensington and Chelsea: 41% (33.2%)
Newham: 36.2% (43%)
Brighton and Hove: 46.83 (39.8%)
Thanet: 36% (36.3%)

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 17:53

Europe Elects @EuropeElects 19 minutes ago

Finland:
In under 30min we'llll receive the first votes of the night, from Finland.

Ministry of Justice confirmed they'll publish the results of early votes when polls close in Finland, 19 CEST, regardless of Commission warnings not to publish anything before 23 CEST.

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Mistigri · 26/05/2019 17:54

Greens have outperformed in Ireland too.

Basilpots · 26/05/2019 17:54

Ah yes Thanet is that where Farage stood as an mp or am I making that up ?

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 17:55

Europe Elects @EuropeElects
Germany: NPD (NI), which sees itself in the tradition of the Hitler party NSDAP, loses its sole seat in the European Parliament, according to the exit polls of Infratest dimap and Forschungsgruppe Wahlen. #EP2019 #Europawahl2019

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tobee · 26/05/2019 17:55

Basil because the rest aren't the "sane ones".

I still stand by my belief that Labour will split before The Tories

Hasenstein · 26/05/2019 17:55

Boris Johnson through the Eyes of Liverpool

Despite Cameron sending him to Liverpool to "apologise", I'm not sure he's ever properly recanted. At all events, he's still loathed there (for more than just being a Tory egomaniac, which would be the default).

Here's what Phil Scratton said about him today:

www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=342939.0

The comments summarise the regard which a potential PM is held in there.

Hasenstein · 26/05/2019 17:56

Sorry, Phil Scraton. I always spell his name wrong Blush

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 17:57

Farage, South Thanet yes.

But worth remembering people came out to actively stop him being MP too.

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DGRossetti · 26/05/2019 18:01

Philip Hammond not ruling out bringing down Tory PM who goes for No Deal.

Unlike IDS, it seems Hammond really is "the quiet man". What level of support does he carry in the party ?

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 18:17

Germany

As expected, AfD & tiny far right parties are down
and Greens continuing their rise over the last few years

Far right also down in neighbouring Austria

Interesting age breakdowns and "workers" in Germany

Europe Electss@EuropeElects*

Germany, FGW exit poll:

Age group: 60+

CDU/CSU-EPP: 40%
SPD-S&D: 23%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 14%
AfD-EFDD: 8%
LINKE-LEFT: 6%
FDP-ALDE: 4%

Age group: 45-59

CDU/CSU-EPP: 26%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 25%
SPD-S&D: 15%
AfD-EFDD: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 6%
LINKE-LEFT: 5%

Age group: 30-44

GRÜNE-G/EFA: 25%
CDU/CSU-EPP: 23%
SPD-S&D: 12%
AfD-EFDD: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 6%
LINKE-LEFT: 6%

Age group: 18-29

GRÜNE-G/EFA: 33%
CDU/CSU-EPP: 13%
SPD-S&D: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 8%
LINKE-LEFT: 7%
AfD-EFDD: 6%%

workers

CDU/CSU-EPP: 28%
SPD-S&D: 19%
AfD-EFDD: 15%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 14%
LINKE-LEFT: 7%
FDP-ALDE: 4%

NoWordForFluffy · 26/05/2019 18:19

So that's Grieve and Hammond earning that they'll take action against their own party to prevent no deal. I bet there's plenty of back benchers not putting their heads above the parapet who'd do the same if push actually came to shove and it was 'do or die'.

Emilyontmoor · 26/05/2019 18:19

So Zac is claiming that Richmond has changed its mind on Brexit? He is doing that in the face of the Libdem’s having a victory in the last local election that amazed even them. They expected to pick up wards in the Twickenham end of the borough where the previous Tory leaders of the Council had tried to dump various of their vanity projects and had become deeply unpopular and hoped that would swing them a small majority. However they were surprised to take so many seats in the affluent wards in Richmond that they didn’t expect, in Kew, Richmond, and East Sheen. At the end of the night the Tory’s went from a majority to only having 11 of the 44 seats. And those unexpected gains were not down to local issues, on the doorstep the issue had been Brexit, and they are all in Zac’s constituency. If I am in the country I will certainly be going over there to campaign against him, his campaigning has always not just used racist dog whistles but misogyny too. Watching him shout down both women Lib Dem candidates he campaigned against at hustings was to see entitled white male privilege in full cry. He is a deeply unpleasant piece of work. Being easy on the eye and having the right accent and rhetoric worked to deliver him the nouveau riche of Barnes and other affluent constituents and just nudge a majority of 45 (after three recounts) but not next time I hope.....

MyOtherProfile · 26/05/2019 18:22

What time are we expecting results in? Dh reckons about 11.30 in East. Is that likely to be the same nationally?

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 18:22

AfD highest - still only 10% - in the 30-60 age group

The 60+ age group is different to that in Britain - LESS rightwing

In Germany, the older generations were told for decades that WW2 and the far right are shameful.
Bannon & co came long after their moral views were formed

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 18:26

I'm still wondering if Daniel Hannon's cry of anguish tweet that Tories will have ZERO MEPS was his usual bollocks,

or whether he has access to internal Tory polls that are even more catastrophic than those published Hmm
< crosses fingers very hard ! Smile >

TokyoSushi · 26/05/2019 18:30

Checking in for this evening, we went on a very, very big night out last night and I didn't wake up until noon so I'm ready for action!

Did you make that spreadsheet @RedToothBrush? If so, you really are a fabulous person, I wish I knew you in really life, I'm certain we'd be friends!!

SwedishEdith · 26/05/2019 18:32

Europe Elects
‏*@EuropeElects*

Germany: NPD (NI), which sees itself in the tradition of the Hitler party NSDAP, loses its sole seat in the European Parliament, according to the exit polls of Infratest dimap and Forschungsgruppe Wahlen. #EP2019 #Europawahl2019