Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid?

[RoseRedRoseBlue]

Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.

No not surprised that as more people are vaccinated more vaccinated people are admitted to hospital.

I will be surprised if a lot of deaths are fully vaccinated. There may be some as the vaccines are not 100% effective but I would hope that number remains low as the vaccine should reduce severity of illness, so more people recover.

78.5% of adults in the UK are now fully vaccinated. That's a huge number. Almost 40 million. Of course there will be huge numbers of fully vaccinated individuals catching Covid.

Why - of course? The vaccine was supposed to stop individuals from catching it and getting sick. Yes - a few it might not have worked for - but huge numbers?

Why - of course? The vaccine was supposed to stop individuals from catching it and getting sick.

Eh? Where is your source for this? I don't think anyone ever stated that the vaccines are 100% effective

How many off the double jabbed, have died I wonder? This information isn't published.
A friends Brother recently died, aged 34 double dose and no health conditions. I've even heard about friends and family having side effects, including blood clots and death (to be fair the lady in question had an undiagnosed heart condition).
I was playing the wait and see game, I waited and I'm still not convinced. I'll happily take my chances with Covid at this present time.

No I am not surprised. I am, however, constantly surprised by the percentage of people I talk to who think that the double vaccinated cannot catch/spread Covid.

@Dustyboots

78.5% of adults in the UK are now fully vaccinated. That's a huge number. Almost 40 million. Of course there will be huge numbers of fully vaccinated individuals catching Covid.

Why - of course? The vaccine was supposed to stop individuals from catching it and getting sick. Yes - a few it might not have worked for - but huge numbers?

A small proportion will always translate to a large overall number when the denominator (i.e., number of people vaccinated) is billions of people.

I don't think anyone ever stated that the vaccines are 100% effective

This was never stated - but in the beginning the expectation and the promise was that it would prevent illness and transmission. Numbers that slipped through the net were expected to be extremely low.

Empty promises. Of course they could never have known that Delta would come along - but variants were and are still expected.

No vaccines are 100% effective. But the Covid ones seem to be very ineffective.

@Dustyboots

I don't think anyone ever stated that the vaccines are 100% effective

This was never stated - but in the beginning the expectation and the promise was that it would prevent illness and transmission. Numbers that slipped through the net were expected to be extremely low.

Empty promises. Of course they could never have known that Delta would come along - but variants were and are still expected.

No vaccines are 100% effective. But the Covid ones seem to be very ineffective.

The proportion, not numbers, are expected to be low - which they are. As stated above, the denominator is huge.

And in terms of vaccines, this is not unexpected or evidence that they are not working as they should.

I had no idea that loads of people would still get it. I thought it would be like the MMR I suppose, not 100% but really small chance of getting it. I know so many people who have it now even though they're double vaxxed. I feel very unsettled by it all in a way I haven't before.

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

I had no idea that loads of people would still get it. I thought it would be like the MMR I suppose, not 100% but really small chance of getting it. I know so many people who have it now even though they're double vaxxed. I feel very unsettled by it all in a way I haven't before.

The diseases that MMR vaccinates against - measles, mumps and rubella, are not at epidemic levels in the UK.

(because we have successful and established vaccination programmes that enable herd immunity)

No. Not at all. It is supposed to prevent severe cases and death, which it seems to be doing. I don’t understand why some people don’t understand this. It’s not tricky.

@ChocAuVin That graphic is really helpful, thanks.

You know what I think uk failed to convey what vaccines mean.
It means less severe illness perhaps hospitalisation and deaths.
Its not 100% proof.

But messaging from government and to some extent others is that vaccination prevented transmission.
That it protects others and builds up 🇬🇧 herd immunity..
This is what I things dangerous.
Trying to increase amount people taking up the jab.

But then this news comes out.
People start to doubt the jab as in part they been essentially mislead.
Mislead/ lies to leads to lack of trust and less compliance.
It begins to undermine our vaccination programme.
As I don't believe UK is following the science or data instead of dates.
Irreversible freedom and lockdown will look hollow come autumn.
I am worried about my unvaccinated children returning to school with no vaccines no masks no distancing.

They even said alpha meant the old restrictions and mitigating measures don't work.
Then we get delta which is worse and they open everything up from may 17th.

The UK also don't like to take about how pfizer and AZ are different and different levels of efficiency particularly with new varients.

The additional restrictions about France was secret worries over beta which is az evasive which UK used in large amounts.
But opening up travel to the extent they have could lead to worse varients coming into our shores as we planning not to quantine double vaccinated that come from other countries.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/seven-die-after-outbreak-colombian-variant-covid-19-belgian-nursing-home-2021-08-06/?taid=610d3bb843b80f000127e06f&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Columbian varient found in 37 countries and cases within the UK.

That means 75% of cases are in the unvaccinated, a far smaller pool of people.

Also are we still recording hospitalizations with covid? So these could be people admitted to hospital due to conditions other than covid, who subsequently tested positive (or had done so in the past few weeks)

My daughter had covid 2 weeks ago and is fully recovered. If she was hospitalised now for e.g. a broken bone, she would be a "covid hospitalisation"

I agree @3asAbird - there is so much confusion sewn by so much that is not being said.

I think our government wants us to be confused - because that way we can't find the right questions to ask. That way we'll never find the answers or truth.

@3asAbird the residents were in their 80s and 90s and while it’s very sad that they have passed, they could have equally caught a bad cold and died.

You will get hospitalised with less severe symptoms than less year. As room opens up you don’t need to be as sick as you once were.
Saying that the majority of people in my local ICU are unvaccinated or single vaccinated (by choice or medical reason).

@snowballer

If you think about it carefully, you'd realise that I if 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of hospitalisations would be double vaccinated people. The more jabbed people there are, the higher the percentage of people in hospital who have been jabbed.

I think it’s probably more that people thought the vaccine would prevent people being hospitalised altogether. Sadly, some people, particularly older and immunocompromised people, will still become seriously ill and die.

Hospital admission rates and deaths are still highest among older age groups.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

I think it’s probably more that people thought the vaccine would prevent people being hospitalised altogether.

Yes you're right. But I assumed most people had realised that the vaccine isn't anywhere near 100% effective - possibly a dangerous assumption!

With Delta the reality is these vaccines are not great at stopping infection or symptomatic illness. Reports from Israel, and a study from Imperial this week peg efficacy at between 40-50%. But they’re holding up well for preventing serious illness.

@PizzaPiePizzaPie

You will get hospitalised with less severe symptoms than less year. As room opens up you don’t need to be as sick as you once were. Saying that the majority of people in my local ICU are unvaccinated or single vaccinated (by choice or medical reason).

Would that be the same amount of young unvaccinated as the last wave (when we had no vaccine?) or is it because the amount of elderly/vulnerable are not being admitted due to being vaccinated?

I think every child in this country could, and should have been vaccinated in school before the school summer holidays. A couple of Drs and nurses could have gone in to the school, and classes gone into a room set aside and done very quickly.
It wouldn't be difficult to organise. There would then have been 5-6 weeks for it to become effective. And a whole pool of potential infection eliminated.
Before anyone says what about children who have allergies etc, the parents could send a letter to school.

@3asAbird

I want to point out I am pro vaccine but pro choice.

I believe the vaccines protect the individual against serious illness or worse death.
However I don't believe the vaccines have equal success i do think there's 3 factors that make efficiency vary.

The varient
The individual
The manufacturer my perception from what I read is pfizer is more successful don't know of thats true.
However so much conflicting information from USA, Israel and UK on how effective these vaccines are.

I believe that vaccines don't block transmissible.
That we need more mitigating measures
More basic infection control which is at odds with government policy.
If vaccinated people are equal risk of transmitting this makes losing self isolating of double vaxxed and need quarantine after travel very risky.
Add in school going back no bubbles, unvaccinated with no masks or social distancing allows infections to rise in autumn winter.

We were better off last summer when we unvaccinated than now because we used other measures.
Even Boris said few months ago its not all vaccines lockdown played a part in reducing infections.
We summer and school holidays I would expect reduced cases .

Vaccines not failed us but they not sole solution and given some false confidence.

You can't directly compare this summer to last year's.

This summer we have the Delta variant that got hold through unvaccinated groups of ppl.

Vaccines are successful. Less ppl are needing hospital treatment.

The efficacy rate before Delta was 87%.

You are less likely to catch it if you're doubly vaccinated. Therefore you are less likely to transmit.