Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid?

[RoseRedRoseBlue]

Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.

@Hopeisallineed

So you are vaccinated then?

No. Still doesn’t make me ‘anti-vaxx’ though. :)

@bumbleymummy

I don't disagree and personally would rate the study as mid quality if doing a formal NOS risk assessment.

This doesn't negate the findings though, and I do find it interesting that you apply this level of rigour to studies that don't support your views (i.e., another protective effect of vaccination), but not those that do.

No. Still doesn’t make me ‘anti-vaxx’ though. smile

That fact that you haven't been vaccinated isn't the reason posters suggest you are anti-vaccine

@bumbleymummy great, then if you are not anti-vaccine be great to see you posting some pro vaccine views around. 😊 However I don’t believe a word of it… I see what you are doing. I’ve read enough of your posts to understand your agenda.

@leafyygreens

No. Still doesn’t make me ‘anti-vaxx’ though. smile

That fact that you haven't been vaccinated isn't the reason posters suggest you are anti-vaccine

I think that’s what hope is suggesting.

@leafyygreens are you suggesting that we don’t analyse or question any data or studies as long as they are promoting vaccines?

@ollyollyoxenfree happy to be called out if you see me link to a poor quality study. :)

[quote Hopeisallineed]@bumbleymummy great, then if you are not anti-vaccine be great to see you posting some pro vaccine views around. 😊 However I don’t believe a word of it… I see what you are doing. I’ve read enough of your posts to understand your agenda.[/quote]
Well if you look back a few months you can see all the studies I was linking to about how longer intervals between the vaccines actually offered better protection. Does that count? I’ve also said repeatedly that I think the vaccines are doing a great job at protecting the vulnerable groups from serious illness/death.

So with 74% of the UK double jabbed, this means the vax is only around 50% successful at stopping hospitalizations at this point?

You’ve already been called out on here several times. I don’t need to trawl through your previous posts as it’s been done but I am pointing out that I see your agenda.

I'm not surprised.

You can catch flu but it's just like a cold even with the flu jab. And minority develop full flu; the majority are immune or have every low level symptoms.

Exactly as with natural immunity.

The key thing is how much lower cases are in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated

"Today’s results are a stark reminder of the importance of getting vaccinated against COVID-19, with those unvaccinated three times more likely to test positive in this round than those who are fully vaccinated. This is underscored by the indications in this report that fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others, an important development in understanding how we can beat the virus."

www.gov.uk/government/news/react-study-shows-fully-vaccinated-are-three-times-less-likely-to-be-infected

Over 98,000 volunteers took part in the study in England between 24 June and 12 July to examine the levels of COVID-19 in the general population. The latest data show infections in England have increased fourfold from 0.15% to 0.63% since the last REACT-1 report which covered the period 20 May to 7 June.

Despite this increase, the findings indicate the spread of the virus was slowing as of 12 July and infection rates for double vaccinated people are three times lower than in unvaccinated.

Analysis by Imperial College suggests double vaccinated people are also less likely to pass on the virus to others.

@Hopeisallineed

You’ve already been called out on here several times. I don’t need to trawl through your previous posts as it’s been done but I am pointing out that I see your agenda.

What agenda? Genuinely curious :) I would be considered a pretty crap anti-Vaxxer by anti-vaxx standards!

What agenda? Genuinely curious smile I would be considered a pretty crap anti-Vaxxer by anti-vaxx standards! grin

Not the PP but you do seem to be quite focussed on minimising the risk of coronavirus whilst insisting vaccines aren't as necessary/effective as public health bodies think they are

I don’t think I’m minimising it by quoting statistics on risk. We know that certain groups are much higher risk than others - that’s why they were prioritised by the JCVI. When you look at the risk for younger, healthier groups, there are actually lots of things that are riskier than coronavirus. Some people might not be happy with that risk, others are fine with it.

I can understand that many people had high expectations of the Covid vaccine to stop the virus in its tracks and are now frustrated / angry / sad that this is not the case.

That said I think as a nation we really need to be more positive and believe in the vaccine because quite frankly if cases rise significantly this winter despite a high proportion of the population being double jabbed and this negative view or doubts of the vaccine gets a foothold then people will rightly or wrongly feel lied to or misled and we could see some serious civil unrest.

The problem with using percentages rather than actual numbers is that it doesn't factor in the number who have been double jabbed and haven't got it and ended up in hospital.

If you had 100% of the population double jabbed and say 100 people in hospital then 100% of hospital admissions would be double vaccinated. It doesn't mean that everyone jabbed is in hospital. You need the base data numbers.

No vaccine offers 100% protection either this has always been stated.

Unfortunately the media grab onto headlines which sell.
Comparing hospitalisation to numbers double vaccinated for instance (39.5 million) compared with 35% of double jabbed hospital admissions (2100 calculated double jabbed from hospital figures of 6000+ from ONS for last week) gives you a rate of 0.005%........ But that figure doesn't sell headlines!

The estimated number of hospital preventions is 52,000 people which shows that it is helping and is working.