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Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid?

190 replies

RoseRedRoseBlue · 06/08/2021 21:33

Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.

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nordica · 07/08/2021 07:36

It was much better at preventing infection against the earlier variants. That's why covid vaccines are going go become like the flu jab and boosters will be needed.

HungryHippo11 · 07/08/2021 07:40

@ozymandiusking

I think every child in this country could, and should have been vaccinated in school before the school summer holidays. A couple of Drs and nurses could have gone in to the school, and classes gone into a room set aside and done very quickly. It wouldn't be difficult to organise. There would then have been 5-6 weeks for it to become effective. And a whole pool of potential infection eliminated. Before anyone says what about children who have allergies etc, the parents could send a letter to school.
The vaccines haven't been proved safe for children yet.

I certainly wouldn't have given consent for my 5 year old to have it. She has had covid anyway so will have immunity. Natural immunity is a better way to control covid in the long run, which is why very few people die from the other coronaviruses and cold viruses - we get them mildly as kids, and are then exposed to them periodically throughout our lives which boost immunity.

You have to actually ask for proper consent for a medical procedure not just "send a letter if your kid has allergies".

Serenissima21 · 07/08/2021 07:50

The vaccines haven't been proved safe for children yet.
They have for teenagers. When I was at school vaccinations were done by the school nurse. It wouldn't be impossible to set up.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/08/2021 14:24

@RhonaRed

I know of a group of young people who caught Delta recently where only the vaccinated ones didn't get it. Anecdote but it interested me!
Two people I know were travelling together. One felt a bit iffy one day, the other got ill. The one who got ill was unvaccinated and tested positive, the other one tested negative, but had been in contact with the same people. I think it's possible she got a weak version, but not enough virus to test positive or contaminate others.
Gwenhwyfar · 07/08/2021 14:25

@Dustyboots

I don't think anyone ever stated that the vaccines are 100% effective

This was never stated - but in the beginning the expectation and the promise was that it would prevent illness and transmission. Numbers that slipped through the net were expected to be extremely low.

Empty promises. Of course they could never have known that Delta would come along - but variants were and are still expected.

No vaccines are 100% effective. But the Covid ones seem to be very ineffective.

Yes, definitely. We expected double vaccinated people getting Covid to be very rare.
Twoforthree · 07/08/2021 14:35

But the vaccine wasn’t designed with Delta in mind.
The efficacy will probably get worse with each new variant which is why we need boosters.

CircusMistress · 07/08/2021 15:10

@MsFogi

No I am not surprised. I am, however, constantly surprised by the percentage of people I talk to who think that the double vaccinated cannot catch/spread Covid.
Me too. I keep having to explain this to my line manager at work among others. So many people have stopped distancing, wearing masks, using hand sanitiser and wiping equipment down regularly because they now think they're bloody invincible. Many don't understand how long the vaccine takes to kick in either. Days after I'd had my second she seemed to think I had full protection. So frustrating 😫
Hopeisallineed · 07/08/2021 15:15

@Gwenhwyfar what’s the point in posting that?

Antinerak · 07/08/2021 15:24

IME people double vaxxed are being complacent with safety thinking they're completely protected. That was never the case. Although of course the vax has some protection, it's been over hyped and now people are finally realising it's not 100%.

3luckystars · 07/08/2021 15:25

Are there any figures on which vaccines the ill people have had?

Suzi888 · 07/08/2021 15:29

Not surprised at all.

OrganicAvocado · 07/08/2021 15:43

ozymandiusking

It’s not just about allergies though is it? There have been thousands upon thousands of adverse reactions reported and not many of the investigated yet. There have been 1500 deaths reported too. These aren’t all due to allergies. Heart attacks, strokes etc in fairly young people. I had covid in the first wave and my kids presumable caught it as they were also unwell at the time. Whereas I had severe symptoms they only had heavy colds. There is growing evidence that says children and young people have already had covid (mostly asymptomatically) and are therefore immune going forwards. Why should we risk the potential adverse reactions from vaccines they don’t need?!

BenjiMcSchmenzie · 07/08/2021 15:43

Re what the poster said upthread about MMR no longer being endemic in our society due to vaccinations being in use for decades now, and therefore herd immunity building up over a long period of time: I think that's what a lot of people don't understand re Covid (I certainly didn't realise this initially). Vaccinations will get us to herd immunity, along with infection-acquired immunity and repeat exposure to different variants, but it won't happen immediately. It will take years rather than weeks/months to get there.

I do think there's a certain amount of confirmation bias going on at the moment too; it's been repeatedly stated on this thread "I've had Covid recently but I'm double-vaccinated so I didn't get it as badly as I would have done if I'd been unvaccinated." Is there any actual proof of that though? Maybe the vaccination hasn't given immunity - which I would find weird, given the recent ONS (?) study showing that 94% of adults in England (UK?) have Covid antibodies, but something seems a bit "off..." If 94% of adults have Covid antibodies, how are so many adults still catching Covid? Why aren't their antibodies working?! (I'm including infection-acquired antibodies in my musings; I'm not dissing vaccinations).

amicissimma · 07/08/2021 15:47

"You know what I think uk failed to convey what vaccines mean.
It means less severe illness perhaps hospitalisation and deaths.
Its not 100% proof."

I get my information from the BBC, a selection of newspapers, and Mumsnet (Blush). I was well aware that vaccines didn't offer 100% proof. What does 'the uk' have to do to inform its citizens if the public sector broadcaster, the mainstream press and an excellent parenting forum aren't sufficient?

Itsallabouttea · 07/08/2021 16:06

I know of 4 fully jabbed people through work who have caught covid in the last two weeks- none are that ill. This is why the idea of vaccine only covid passes for things like nightclubs makes no sense to me- proving you're jabbed doesn't mean anything, surely negative test passes would make more sense!

Pootle40 · 07/08/2021 16:51

@RoseRedRoseBlue

Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.
What are they in hospital for? Could be anything and they test positive or catch it in hospital. Doesn't mean they are ill in hospital due to Covid.
Tealightsandd · 07/08/2021 17:02

Data from Israel and USA and Norway indicates that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) work well - not necessarily against infection, but importantly at preventing hospitalisations and deaths.

If it is the case that one type of vaccine is less successful at preventing hospitalisations and death (and I emphasise if), the government ought to tell people.

First, because people (particularly but not only the vulnerable) have the right to full facts - so that they can make informed risk decisions.

But also because otherwise it's a huge gift to the anti vaxxer movement in general (not just Covid vaccines). It gives them fuel to the fire... they'll say, 'but, look vaccines aren't stopping hospitalisations, etc etc'... Long-term consequences need to be considered.

Perhaps it's nothing to do with which vaccine. Perhaps double jabbed hospitalisations are very vulnerable people with underlying conditions (possibly undiagnosed) and/or people who had vaccines a while ago and now in need of a booster.

But we need to know. And booster jab those who had the less effective vaccine (if one is less effective).

Even if one is less effective than another, all the vaccines are still worth getting. Data shows risk of hospitalisations and deaths are cut by at least 50% if double jabbed.

HungryHippo11 · 07/08/2021 17:06

@Serenissima21

The vaccines haven't been proved safe for children yet. They have for teenagers. When I was at school vaccinations were done by the school nurse. It wouldn't be impossible to set up.
The poster i quoted said "all children", so not just teenagers. Many secindary schools don't have a dedicated school nurse any more, just an admin assistant who is first aid trained.
Abraxan · 07/08/2021 17:09

@BrushMySmush

No not at all, it’s doesn't stop you getting it, they never said it did. It reduces your risk of developing bad symptoms.
It does also reduce your likelihood of catching it and of transmitting it.
Abraxan · 07/08/2021 17:12

@Dustyboots

78.5% of adults in the UK are now fully vaccinated. That's a huge number. Almost 40 million. Of course there will be huge numbers of fully vaccinated individuals catching Covid.

Why - of course? The vaccine was supposed to stop individuals from catching it and getting sick. Yes - a few it might not have worked for - but huge numbers?

No it wasn't.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

We know that if you still catch covid if fully vaccinated you are less likely to be as ill, and your chances of being serious ill or hospitalised is reduced significantly. However, the vaccine does also reduce your likelihood of catching it and of transmitting it as well. It just doesn't remove that chance entirely. Iirr transmission likelihood is halved, approximately.

Abraxan · 07/08/2021 17:13

No vaccines are 100% effective. But the Covid ones seem to be very ineffective

They are more effective than the flu vaccines iirr.

ProseccoThyme · 07/08/2021 17:18

I've just had Covid, despite being vaccinated twice at the beginning of the year.

I'm a HCP & it's fairly common for it happen. We have all stayed well & never needed to see a Dr or visit hospital.

So the vaccine works well from that point of view.

We are all going to get Covid at one point; it is out there & rife at the moment. Vaccination will just stop us dying or needing admitted/ICU etc.

Nanny67 · 07/08/2021 17:18

I was doubled vaxxed in may and I currently have covid and really poorly with it. I continued to wear masks, have been really careful not to be in crowds etc. I'm gutted.

llorelei · 07/08/2021 17:23

Iceland has approximately 70% of the population vaccinated. They have published detailed data on the number of infections over the last month. It is about 70% of the total who are fully vaccinated. They also have stats on those entering the country from abroad and most of those are fully vaccinated also. So the vaccine doesn't work and there is no point in Covid passports for travel... you can see the official government data at www.covid.is/data