Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid?

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Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/unvaccinated-covid-19-survivors-twice-as-likely-to-get-reinfected-study-shows/2764326/%3famp

I am. My double jabbed df caught it and has now passed it to my double jabbed dm.

The isolation is ridiculous and I can't believe you can be forced not to work but expected to forfeit your wages. I me a I know why you shouldn't work obviously but what a difficult position to put people in financially.

This ‘new research’ isn’t related to delta - in case anyone thinks it is. It’s based on data from Kentucky patients between October and December 2020.

The jab doesn’t stop you catching you t. It reduces your chances of being seriously ill

@bumbleymummy

This ‘new research’ isn’t related to delta - in case anyone thinks it is. It’s based on data from Kentucky patients between October and December 2020.

This is incorrect. Not sure why you're trying to imply the research is irrelevant or put new in quotation marks.

This analysis from the CDC was released this month and is reinfection study. So yes, it involves patients with a COVID infection last year, who were then followed up in May or June or this year.

Unvaccinated people were significantly more likely to be reinfected with COVID (2.4x) than those vaccinated. Reinfection was at a time when delta was not the predominant strain, but given that you would expect this to reduce efficacy of immunity equally between groups, it does not mean the findings cannot be generalised to delta infections.

Although laboratory evidence suggests that antibody responses following COVID-19 vaccination provide better neutralization of some circulating variants than does natural infection (1,2), few real-world epidemiologic studies exist to support the benefit of vaccination for previously infected persons. This report details the findings of a case-control evaluation of the association between vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in Kentucky during May–June 2021 among persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020. Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated (odds ratio [OR] = 2.34; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.58–3.47). These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection. To reduce their risk of infection, all eligible persons should be offered vaccination, even if they have been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

From hope’s link:

the newer alpha version was predominant in Kentucky in May and June

So not delta.

@bumbleymummy

From hope’s link:

the newer alpha version was predominant in Kentucky in May and June

So not delta.

Yes, exactly as I said in my post.

This is incorrect. Not sure why you're trying to imply the research is irrelevant or put new in quotation marks.

This analysis from the CDC was released this month and is reinfection study. So yes, it involves patients with a COVID infection last year, who were then followed up in May or June or this year.

Unvaccinated people were significantly more likely to be reinfected with COVID (2.4x) than those vaccinated. Reinfection was at a time when delta was not the predominant strain, but given that you would expect this to reduce efficacy of immunity equally between groups, it does not mean the findings cannot be generalised to delta infections.

This ‘new research’ isn’t related to delta - in case anyone thinks it is.

You said ‘this is incorrect’. It is not.

@bumbleymummy

This ‘new research’ isn’t related to delta - in case anyone thinks it is.

You said ‘this is incorrect’. It is not.

Again, you are taking a phrase out of context to distract from the fact a valid, robust piece of research discredits your views on vaccination.

I clearly stated in my reply the things that were incorrect in your post and confirmed that delta wasn't the predominant strain in May/June 2021 in Kentucky.

No, because the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just reduces your symptoms

@bumbleymummy you seem to spend a lot of time on vaccine threads trying to push your anti vaccine agenda.

Anyone I have heard of getting Covid after vaccination had Astra Zeneca. That is just the people I know, which is not that many (!) but am wondering will there be any information available on these figures in the coming months.

“delta wasn't the predominant strain in May/June 2021 in Kentucky.”

Which is what I stated: ‘this research isn’t related to delta’ but you said ‘this is incorrect.

Based on your previous comments, you don’t know know what my ‘views on vaccination’ even are. :)

@bumbleymummy

“delta wasn't the predominant strain in May/June 2021 in Kentucky.”

Which is what I stated: ‘this research isn’t related to delta’ but you said ‘this is incorrect.

Based on your previous comments, you don’t know know what my ‘views on vaccination’ even are. :)

This is insanity. I'm going to say it again - I clearly stated in my reply the things that were incorrect in your post and confirmed that delta wasn't the predominant strain in May/June 2021 in Kentucky.

Your views on vaccination are extremely clear @bumbleymummy - for the past 18 months you've spent huge amounts of time spreading misinformation on vaccine safety, on how well they work, and COVID scepticism.

Before the pandemic began, you were posting repeatedly on themes of how infectious disease isn't a big deal for society, and downplaying the necessity of vaccination. You also claimed the MMR triggers autism in susceptible children. If this isn't anti-vaccine, I'm not sure what is.

[quote Hopeisallineed]@bumbleymummy you seem to spend a lot of time on vaccine threads trying to push your anti vaccine agenda.[/quote]
Quite, it's very depressing.

As I said, you're taking a phrase out of context to distract from the fact a valid, robust piece of research provides evidence against your beliefs on vaccination.

You don't have any views on this analysis besides picking apart the phrasing I used?

This analysis from the CDC was released this month and is reinfection study. So yes, it involves patients with a COVID infection last year, who were then followed up in May or June or this year.

Unvaccinated people were significantly more likely to be reinfected with COVID (2.4x) than those vaccinated. Reinfection was at a time when delta was not the predominant strain, but given that you would expect this to reduce efficacy of immunity equally between groups, it does not mean the findings cannot be generalised to delta infections.

I’m not taking anything out of context. I literally said ‘this is not about delta’ and you said ‘that is incorrect’. You’ve invented quite a story to justify your response to my very brief post but if you read what I actually wrote, it is literally two lines.

And I don’t know too many ‘anti-vaxxers’ that have repeatedly said that the vaccine has done a great job at reducing serious illness/hospitalisation/death in the most vulnerable groups but then a lot of MNers don’t seem to know what ‘anti-vaxx’ actually means anymore.

And the fact that you keep calling me ‘anti-vaxx’ just shows that you have no idea about my views on vaccination. It’s a bit silly to keep accusing someone who has repeatedly said that the vaccine has reduced serious illness/death of being ‘anti-vaxx’. Maybe you should focus on the actual anti-vaxx’ conspiracy theorists out there who are spreading misinformation.

@bumbleymummy

And the fact that you keep calling me ‘anti-vaxx’ just shows that you have no idea about my views on vaccination. It’s a bit silly to keep accusing someone who has repeatedly said that the vaccine has reduced serious illness/death of being ‘anti-vaxx’. Maybe you should focus on the actual anti-vaxx’ conspiracy theorists out there who are spreading misinformation.

Sigh. You don't have any comment on this or think it could all add up together to suggest you are generally anti-vaccine?

Your views on vaccination are extremely clear @bumbleymummy - for the past 18 months you've spent huge amounts of time spreading misinformation on vaccine safety, on how well they work, and COVID scepticism.

Before the pandemic began, you were posting repeatedly on themes of how infectious disease isn't a big deal for society, and downplaying the necessity of vaccination. You also claimed the MMR triggers autism in susceptible children. If this isn't anti-vaccine, I'm not sure what is.

I haven’t spread any misinformation on vaccine safety or their effectiveness. In fact, if you look back earlier this year, you will see that on several threads I linked to studies showing that the effectiveness of the vaccines was increased by increasing the time between doses. I always back up my points with links to reputable sites (who, PHE, ONS etc) or studies in reputable journals.

I know you really want me to be ‘anti-vaxx’ so you can reject my options because they’re different from yours but you’re wrong, I’m really not ‘anti-vaxx’. Sorry! :)

Haven’t posted anything ‘skeptical’ about covid either. Really not sure where you’ve plucked that one from!

Options = opinions :)

@bumbleymummy

I haven’t spread any misinformation on vaccine safety or their effectiveness. In fact, if you look back earlier this year, you will see that on several threads I linked to studies showing that the effectiveness of the vaccines was increased by increasing the time between doses. I always back up my points with links to reputable sites (who, PHE, ONS etc) or studies in reputable journals.

I know you really want me to be ‘anti-vaxx’ so you can reject my options because they’re different from yours but you’re wrong, I’m really not ‘anti-vaxx’. Sorry! :)

But the claims you make about coronavirus and the newly developed vaccines are simply those you've recycled from your posts on other infectious diseases like polio, mumps, rubella, HPV, 'flu, hepatitis etc.

There is a consistent theme in your posts that these diseases are not as serious as they're made out to be, and a general downplaying of the role and necessity of vaccination in their control, alongside the disproven claims about the MMR triggering autism in susceptible individuals.

You keep using the terms conspiracy theorist and anti-vax, but surely you can see how all together this implies a general anti-vaccine agenda? @bumbleymummy

Us epidemiologists are not surprised.

There's Bayesian math for one thing.

There's how humans react to beta-coronavirus infections for another.

I'm not a good one for explaining either of those things.

It's ok. Eventually we will get to treat covid as a usually benign infection. I was trying to explain to someone today that in long run we (at a population level) may actually be much safer by having as much covid around us as possible (without risking huge harms) during next 2 months.