Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid?

[RoseRedRoseBlue]

Exactly this. Sky were reporting today that appx 35% of those hospitalised were double jabbed and I had no idea it would be as high as that.

But if very low numbers of people are dying it doesn't really matter (at a population level; obviously it sucks for the individual) if vaccinated people are still getting Covid ... Those figures from Iceland show that Covid deaths are low at the moment, which presumably is down to the vaccines / infection-acquired immunity?

Although I do agree with you about Covid passports!

@llorelei

There's a difference between infection, and hospitalisation and death.

Data from America, Israel, and Norway suggests that the mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) vaccines do work - at preventing hospitalisation and death. Almost all their hospitalised and dying Covid patients are the unvaccinated.

Let’s see. 39 million people have had both doses. They said they believe the Pfizer vaccine, for example, is 88% effective against Delta variant, which now accounts for 99% of the cases in the UK.

There are only 512 double-jabbed people in the hospital.

512. Of 39 million. So, 0.00013%. So no, I’m not worried at all. In fact, it’s proving that even if people are “catching” it, let’s say that 12% of double-jabbed people were getting it (if it was only effective 88% of the time against Delta) and then 35% of them were being hospitalized, that would STILL be… 1.63 million. Not 512. So it’s working very well, in fact.

And that number (39 million) is climbing every day, as those who have had one dose move into the two-dose category.

Links:
For 39 million: www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833
For the 512:
www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/6/nearly-35-percent-of-uk-delta-hospitalisations-fully-vaccinated
Rate of vaccines against Delta:
www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5

@llorelei but if you were any good at statistical analysis, you would have noted that 80% of hospitalised cases in Iceland are unvaccinated. Where as only 30% of people are unvaccinated.

No, herd immunity has not been achieved but the vaccine is working jolly well.

This is precisely why the U.K. obsession with people being happy they don’t get maths and think it’s a geeky thing is not actually a good thing

It’s basic sums

Sigh
Basic maths isn't it🙄

This lack of understanding also indicates why many don't understand the risks behind covid and vaccines I think

@ChocAuVin

Not really, because

Thanks for this. That graphic explains it so well

Almost all their hospitalised and dying Covid patients are the unvaccinated.

In the U.K., elderly patients still have the highest rate of hospitalisation and death.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

I think it's more surprising that so many people are hospitalised. My DS didn't need to be double jabbed then, as even a mild form could kill him. But we should all stop worrying and get on with our lives.

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/delta-variant-vaccine-covid-uk-b1898190.html

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

I think it's more surprising that so many people are hospitalised. My DS didn't need to be double jabbed then, as even a mild form could kill him. But we should all stop worrying and get on with our lives.

The threshold for being in hospital with covid is lower now than it was last year. Last year you had to be very seriously poorly. Now you can taken in much sooner for less serious treatment.

@ozymandiusking

I think every child in this country could, and should have been vaccinated in school before the school summer holidays. A couple of Drs and nurses could have gone in to the school, and classes gone into a room set aside and done very quickly. It wouldn't be difficult to organise. There would then have been 5-6 weeks for it to become effective. And a whole pool of potential infection eliminated. Before anyone says what about children who have allergies etc, the parents could send a letter to school.

Do you? Good for you. I strongly disagree. My DD (who has had COVID and been at school throughout) will not be having a trial vaccine. Thanks.

@ChocAuVin

Not really, because

This!!!! Exactly this! It's basic maths

Nope

Not surprised. The vaccine reduces the effects but won’t prevent everyone catching covid or even some people getting very ill.

It is also worth remembering the elderly are most susceptible and have generally been vaccinated. Therefore there will still be plenty of vaccinated people in hospital but obv still far fewer (and they will be comparably less sick) than without a vaccination programme.

It really worries me that people don't get why this is to be honest
Explains a lot

You can still get it. But your chances of dying are miniscule compared to being unvaccinated

I expected it to be a hell of a lot lower. The majority of deaths are from vaccinated people too - and they are still in the older age brackets.

I was just driving home from work and on the radio was an ad which stated ' If you have covid symptoms, stay in and get tested (and then in a grim voice) even if you are doubly vaccinated.

You can die even after being doubly vaccinated
You can spread it after being doubly vaccinated
You can catch it after being doubly vaccinated

What was the bloody point?

“The majority of deaths are from vaccinated people too - and they are still in the older age brackets.”

Yes, but we can’t keep older people alive forever. They will die of something. The vaccine does reduce their risk of serious illness and death from cv so that’s something.

Almost all the hospitalisations and deaths in USA are the unvaccinated. Similar news from Israel and Norway. It's becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated in those countries.

Possibly some vaccines are more effective than others - but all still cut risk of serious illness and death by at least 50%, and/or possibly protection wanes after a certain period. But easily resolved. We simply need to give booster jabs. But clearly vaccines are working.

Do they have a lower percentage of elderly/vulnerable vaccinated in those countries? In the U.K., uptake in the most vulnerable groups is well over 90% iirc but the highest rate of hospitalisation/death is still the older groups.

@Steakandcheeseplease

I expected it to be a hell of a lot lower. The majority of deaths are from vaccinated people too - and they are still in the older age brackets.

I was just driving home from work and on the radio was an ad which stated ' If you have covid symptoms, stay in and get tested (and then in a grim voice) even if you are doubly vaccinated.

You can die even after being doubly vaccinated
You can spread it after being doubly vaccinated
You can catch it after being doubly vaccinated

What was the bloody point?

I had covid last month despite double vaccination with Pfizer.

The point was, you can die after being doubly vaccinated, but you are much less likely to. You can die in a car accident even if you are wearing a seatbelt and have airbags in your car, if the crash is severe enough. However it reduces your risk substantially and we don't not bother with seat belts because they don't always prevent injury or death, do we?

All the patients on our ITU last week were unvaccinated ( but not all the patients admitted)

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