Covid passports for pubs, restaurants and clubs

[Suranjeep]

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

Today 19:55 bumbleymummy

Selectively chosen to ignore the stats about the impact on the health backlog then?

You mean the backlog caused by COVID cases over the last year and exacerbated by double vaccinated hcps still having to isolate? (Thankfully being reviewed) yeah, I don’t think the small percentage of unvaccinated people ending up in hospital from COVID complications is the major issue.“

Various ICU doctors and NHS medical directors, virologists etc. have been appearing on Today, World at One, PM, Newsnight etc. this past week all saying that the majority of people in hospital beds are unvaccinated and that it is a major issue that will cause the cessation of other procedures again as numbers continue to escalate. They are also expecting a high rate of ‘flu cases requiring hospitalisation this winter to further escalate the already difficult situations in their hospitals.

Do you believe they are not telling the truth?

About what?

In our local hospitals over 70s still make up over 50% of hospitalisations and less than 10% are under 40. The figures for each age group are all lower than they were back in April/May. Yes, younger people are making up a larger proportion of hospitalisation because there are fewer older people there (which is great news because their outcomes are usually worse) but there has not been a big increase in the actual number of younger people in hospital.

"In older age groups, COVID-19 positivity rates were lowest, but hospital admission rates and deaths were highest"

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals#hospital-admissions-by-age

bumbleymummy

About what?

In our local hospitals over 70s still make up over 50% of hospitalisations and less than 10% are under 40. The figures for each age group are all lower than they were back in April/May. Yes, younger people are making up a larger proportion of hospitalisation because there are fewer older people there (which is great news because their outcomes are usually worse) but there has not been a big increase in the actual number of younger people in hospital.“

That the number of unvaccinated people in their hospital beds is having serious knock on effects?

You said “I don’t think the small percentage of unvaccinated people ending up in hospital from COVID complications is the major issue.“

People dealing with the current situation directly contradict you and say it is a major issue already and predicted to become worse.

Hospitalisations for covid made up less than 2% of total hospital beds on 6/7 (1,507 out of 79,074 according to the Weekly admission figures here www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/ ) and even then, they are not all unvaccinated. As already pointed out in the ONS report above, hospital admission rates were still highest in older people ( the vast majority of that group have been double vaxxed). Also, many of the people in hospital with covid are not there because of covid itself but because they have tested positive while they are there for something else. There are far fewer in hospital now than there were in April and I don't remember the people dealing with it back then coming out in force and saying it was a major issue. Perhaps they are just trying to get more people to have their second vaccine/get younger people to be vaccinated now that the figures are dropping off?

This isn't just based on my opinion - you can look at the figures yourself - i've provided the links. If you'd rather listen to people giving their opinions on TV/radio/twitter then go ahead.

bumbleyMummy

“This isn't just based on my opinion - you can look at the figures yourself - i've provided the links. If you'd rather listen to people giving their opinions on TV/radio/twitter then go ahead.“

Please don’t be patronising. I have no interest in Twitter. These were medical professionals in the thick of it daily reporting that their wards and ICUs are already operating at close to full capacity, levels they would normally expect in a bad winter, not in July. Each one cited new Covid admissions as the primary cause (primarily unvaccinated people) Staff are exhausted and they are extremely fearful for autumn.

@MrsSkylerWhite

Today 19:55 bumbleymummy

Selectively chosen to ignore the stats about the impact on the health backlog then?

You mean the backlog caused by COVID cases over the last year and exacerbated by double vaccinated hcps still having to isolate? (Thankfully being reviewed) yeah, I don’t think the small percentage of unvaccinated people ending up in hospital from COVID complications is the major issue.“

Various ICU doctors and NHS medical directors, virologists etc. have been appearing on Today, World at One, PM, Newsnight etc. this past week all saying that the majority of people in hospital beds are unvaccinated and that it is a major issue that will cause the cessation of other procedures again as numbers continue to escalate. They are also expecting a high rate of ‘flu cases requiring hospitalisation this winter to further escalate the already difficult situations in their hospitals.

Do you believe they are not telling the truth?

Lots of selective listening by bumble... Also didn't answer the question if would test twice weekly instead of being vaccinated .i guess the answer is no to contributing in any way to getting us out of this Funny that

Medical professionals do post on twitter you know. It wasn't intended to be patronising

As I said, you can look at the figures yourself. Our ICU had 1 patient in it on Friday.

I would happily test myself every day if people wanted me to (given that I can’t be vaccinated) but, to go back to where the conversation was a few pages ago, I think the tests should still be free and I think they should be free for everyone, regardless of their reasons for being unvaccinated

@MrsFelicianoLopez

I would happily test myself every day if people wanted me to (given that I can’t be vaccinated) but, to go back to where the conversation was a few pages ago, I think the tests should still be free and I think they should be free for everyone, regardless of their reasons for being unvaccinated

Well yes if vaccines are free then tests should be.

@LightAsTheBreeze
Even with my partner who didn’t know his NHS number and so had extra checks....it only took 2 hours to get acceptance on the nhs app....With the rest of my family ( who all knew their nhs numbers) it’s took 15 to 30 minutes.....I don’t think we were ‘lucky’.... think that’s how it works....maybe you were ‘unlucky’

[quote Kitkat151]@LightAsTheBreeze
Even with my partner who didn’t know his NHS number and so had extra checks....it only took 2 hours to get acceptance on the nhs app....With the rest of my family ( who all knew their nhs numbers) it’s took 15 to 30 minutes.....I don’t think we were ‘lucky’.... think that’s how it works....maybe you were ‘unlucky’[/quote]
I think I was unlucky, I did know my NHS number, I think it just depends how busy they are, there was a thread about this and some others didn't get theirs very quickly either, it just really a little warning to people not to leave it until the last minute just in case it takes longer, when I applied it said it could take up to a week.

I think the vast majority of folk would cheerfully PCR twice a week for full freedoms

Only if they come up with a less intrusive, unpleasant test. Some of you are scared of needles. I don't like sticking stuff my nose into my brain.

DD18 fully vaccinated goes out with many more unvaccinated friends. Her risk is higher because they aren’t vaccinated. It would be greatly reduced if they were vaccinated

Well I dare say they'll all be vaccinated in due course - give it time, they only opened up to all adults recently and some walk-in centres are restricted, so it's easier to book and wait a little while, which was what my son did. He had his first jab about 10 days ago, if they reduce the time between doses to 4 weeks he'll be done by the end of the month.

Spiegelhalter, bless that man, points out that age always was and is the main risk factor for death from covid. This fact just is not changing.

Next most important risk factor is chronic illness (but no one is sure exactly which ones, mainly dementia)

Followed by male sex.

Meanwhile there are plenty stories about elderly males with several difficult chronic health problems who sale thru covid as a mild illness -- still happens.