Covid passports for pubs, restaurants and clubs

[Suranjeep]

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

FFS, instead of frothing and believing exactly what the media reports, maybe read the actual proposals. It will be down to individual businesses to decide whom they let in to their premises, which seems reasonable to me. Businesses have a right to be able to reduce the risk of a covid outbreak on their premises which could lose them money, when they have already suffered financially. Those who are medically unable to have a vaccine or take a test will be protected under equality legislation:

"COVID-status certification will not be required in law as a condition of entry for visitors to any setting. Organisations are already able to ask visitors for proof of COVID-status, as long as they meet existing legal obligations including under equality law. The Government is providing a way for individuals to easily demonstrate their COVID-status. This can be achieved by completion of a full vaccine course, a recent negative test, or proof of natural immunity - through the NHS COVID Pass on the NHS app."

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-response-summer-2021-roadmap/covid-19-response-summer-2021#reinforce-the-countrys-vaccine-wall-of-defence

"Midwillowmum

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. It’s second nature now and nobody complains. If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits and it is all shown on the health app or Covid passport app. You just show it on entry to places. Perhaps the system is easier here than the U.K. but no-one makes a fuss, it’s just a process and life now. The upside is a relatively normal way of life now.

Omg nothing about that is normalshock"

Really not normal.

So many are getting Covid after being vaccinated anyway

@Suranjeep

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

It's just coercion then to get more jabs in arms. It will never happen.

Why would they just let everything open as normal through the rest of the summer and then bring this in?

@User135644

So many are getting Covid after being vaccinated anyway

No-one ever said vaccination stops you getting covid. It reduces your chances of infection, spreading it to others and serious illness.

What if you can't get the app? I will try again, but I couldn't get my video to upload when trying to confirm my identity on the NHS app so I gave up.

But it's a false sense of security. Oh here's tens of thousands of people all on top of each other in one venue, but it's okay because they've had a vaccine.

@foxandbee but many businesses have suffered because of the government lockdowns not actual Covid cases.

A lot of businesses spent a shit load of cash putting lots of measures in, only to be told to close again.

When you actually look at the stats too the businesses that were forced to close had lower percentages of covid risk anyway. Gyms for example were very low risk but no shut up shop despite what measures you have put in place. The highest risk I think was supermarkets, and yes whilst they couldn't close it makes no sense why other businesses couldn't stay open either.

@foxandbee User135644
So many are getting Covid after being vaccinated anyway
No-one ever said vaccination stops you getting covid. It reduces your chances of infection, spreading it to others and serious illness.

So why do you not need to isolate then if not completely free from risk?

How is this fair on those that haven't had the jab for medical reasons etc if all this is for the greater good?

The government are basically telling people by not having to isolate, go to amber counties etc that you are safe from covid, and clearly no one is. Still at least the government can blame us all again for going on jollies

Literally every time I've been asked 'have you done the qr code' I've said yes and not been challenged. I don't even have the app on my phone.

Still at least the government can blame us all again for going on jollies

They're all fucking off on their jollies themselves next week, conveniently. And deleting the apps so they don't get pinged before they go.

@User135644 😂 yep

Parliament closes doesn't it?
I really don't get how so many cannot see the sheer control and manipulation and how the narrative changes to suit their agenda.
So many are so afraid now - what exactly is the end goal?

the sheer control and manipulation and how the narrative changes to suit their agenda

No one seems to be noticing how the anti-lockdown Times is controlling the narrative on this story with their neglecting to mention the 'or a negative test' bit in their headline and tweet.

The Times also has an agenda.

It would take a lot of new legislation for the government to control who can access private business services like pubs. I wonder which pubs will attract more custom, the ones restricting the number of customers or the ones not

[quote CantGetNoSleep73]@User135644 😂 yep

Parliament closes doesn't it?
I really don't get how so many cannot see the sheer control and manipulation and how the narrative changes to suit their agenda.
So many are so afraid now - what exactly is the end goal?[/quote]
I said months ago we'd open up in time for parliament recess (just like foreign holidays last summer) and then be back under restrictions in the autumn.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Bad times if they run with this bullshit idea . Never been needed for any other disease/virus

Maybe not a virus but they banned smokers. Not seeing any different - those who want to be safe and be around like minded safe people and those who want to ban those who have refused vaccines

But if you've had your vaccine, then arent you already protected?

No one seems to be noticing how the anti-lockdown Times is controlling the narrative on this story with their neglecting to mention the 'or a negative test' bit in their headline and tweet

Yes, but who wants to go to the trouble of having to get negative tests, before they can enter a pub? You might do it before going on holiday or even a gig or sporting event that you might be looking forward to.

@MaxNormal

And still no mention of any sort of exemption option. Can't have the vaccine, or bad reaction and can't have your second shot? Fuck you, banished.

According to the news report, it will be show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test in the past 24 hours, which is fine as long as the Covid tests are still free to access ...

[quote foxandbee]FFS, instead of frothing and believing exactly what the media reports, maybe read the actual proposals. It will be down to individual businesses to decide whom they let in to their premises, which seems reasonable to me. Businesses have a right to be able to reduce the risk of a covid outbreak on their premises which could lose them money, when they have already suffered financially. Those who are medically unable to have a vaccine or take a test will be protected under equality legislation:

"COVID-status certification will not be required in law as a condition of entry for visitors to any setting. Organisations are already able to ask visitors for proof of COVID-status, as long as they meet existing legal obligations including under equality law. The Government is providing a way for individuals to easily demonstrate their COVID-status. This can be achieved by completion of a full vaccine course, a recent negative test, or proof of natural immunity - through the NHS COVID Pass on the NHS app."

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-response-summer-2021-roadmap/covid-19-response-summer-2021#reinforce-the-countrys-vaccine-wall-of-defence[/quote]
Ah, this is the first I've seen about proof of natural immunity being included.... is there any more information on this? e.g. proof of positive Covid PCR test & subsequent NHS notification within the last 6 months ...?

According to the news report, it will be show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test in the past 24 hours, which is fine as long as the Covid tests are still free to access ...

And if you only want to plan a trip to a pub or restaurant days in advance.

Restaurants etc. badly don't want to police this.
From masks to vaccine proof, they probably prefer masking, tbh!!

I barely go to such places, so this hardly matters, but just to say I would be incentivised to go even less often due to this policy.

Presumably wouldn't apply to take-away food?

Exactly @User135644 .... it's not great is it?!

According to the news report, it will be show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test in the past 24 hours, which is fine as long as the Covid tests are still free to access

Just when they've said they'll no longer be free.
So anyone that can't have the vaccine/both doses will have the burden of additional expenses if they don't wish to be socially excluded.
Tbh it affects me personally very little but the principle is appalling.

@MrsFelicianoLopez

Exactly *@User135644* .... it's not great is it?!

For me, when I go to the pub it's often a spur of the moment thing, I hate planning well in advance (especially as people will often flake or cancel). Even just a quick drink or bite to eat at the end of a walk or something.

Personally, i'll be double jabbed, but it's completely unworkable for pubs and restaurants. I would not be going to the hassle of arranging tests and waiting for the results etc before I could enter a bar.

@MaxNormal

According to the news report, it will be show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test in the past 24 hours, which is fine as long as the Covid tests are still free to access

Just when they've said they'll no longer be free.
So anyone that can't have the vaccine/both doses will have the burden of additional expenses if they don't wish to be socially excluded.
Tbh it affects me personally very little but the principle is appalling.

Tbh, I think those who can't have vaccine for medical reasons or vulnerable people who vaccine don't work well would feel safer with this approach, so they can feel safer rather than mixing without restriction.