Covid passports for pubs, restaurants and clubs

[Suranjeep]

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

Adam Brooks who owns two pubs was on Talk Radio earlier explaining yet again why this wouldnt work.

There hasn't been a case of polio or smallpox in the UK for 30 years...That's probably why

I grew up in a place that still had active polio infections and I was never asked to produce any sort of proof I'd been innoculated against it.

There hasn't been a case of polio or smallpox in the UK for 30 years...That's probably why

Eh? They still could have brought in a domestic passport on paper had they wanted to like they are now mooting for those without smartphones. The printing press had been invented by then you know.

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. It’s second nature now and nobody complains. If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits and it is all shown on the health app or Covid passport app

Our government wouldn’t be able to organise anything like that here in England @Midwillowmum

Our government is not that sophisticated. Things are very backwards in fact. It’s sounds as though Denmark is decades ahead of us with technology.

It really doesn't shock me, some of us have been saying this would happen for the last year.

Ah timing of this is not ideal. DH and I are TTC and I was hoping we'd be able to avoid situations where vaccine status would come up. I've had my first jab but would probably hold off on the second until 12 weeks if I test positive but that's going to be really bloody obvious if we go out with friends or family. Gah.

They still could have brought in a domestic passport on paper had they wanted to like they are now mooting for those without smartphones. The printing press had been invented by then you know

I actually remember having a vaccine passport of sorts as a child. (not UK) Mainly for school trips with special interest in tetanus.
But other vaccins wer recorded as well.

Could it make this worse as well...

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/10/nhs-staff-abused-by-people-seeking-second-covid-jab-early-for-holiday

@Suranjeep it is a good idea and I’m certainly no covidiot, it’s funny as you don’t even realise the dichotomy of that statement. I’m not in the UK currently and you need an app to get in anywhere, it shows you’re not meant to be isolating, have COVID and also whether you’re vaccinated or not. If the UK had implemented something like this it wouldn’t be in the current shitshow it is now. Equally vaccines have an efficacy rate generally in the 90%+ range, studies have shown even if you are vaccinated and infected you’re much less likely to be a spreader so yes I’d rather only sit with other vaccinated people inside a restaurant or cinema, it’s not rocket science nor a slippery slope.

@MotherCanDoIt do you own shares in Pfizer?

@lljkk

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. ... no-one makes a fuss, it’s just a process and life now.

DK's uptake of vaccine is lower than UK.

If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits

@Midwillowmum - what kind of test? PCR or LFT?

Denmark is just behind the U.K. with the rollout due to banning some vaccines. There does seem to be a general agreement to be vaccinated though. The tests can be either PCR or lateral flow “quick test” here which is nose only but the difference I guess here is that they are all fine by professionals in centres all over the country. It is very easy to turn up and have it done with results from the quick test in less than 30 minutes. Then the results are automatically on your app. No possibility to cheat.

Me too @MotherCanDoIt
I wish I did own shares in Pfizer, but alas no!

@Suranjeep I wish!!!!!

@Midwillowmum that does sound like a straightforward way of doing it as well. Are the tests free or charged for?

I’ve no doubt this will get jumped on but I’d probably go further and say that unvaccinated people shouldn’t be permitted inside enclosed spaces unless they can provide a PCR test certificate within the last 72hrs as they do with airlines. The current mass test events (such as Euro/Wimbledon) relying on people to undertake the LFT and report positive results honestly boggles the mind. If someone had ticket to the football for tonight will they actually isolate on getting a positive?

My friend, in his 40s, is double jabbed. He caught Covid this week.
Being double jabbed does not protect people from contracting or spreading Covid - in fact, it gives many a false sense of security - so I don't see the point of passports, especially as my teens are too young to be vaccinated.

@MotherCanDoIt they are free but the cost is covered by the higher taxes here. (But wages are higher too as an aside)
The fact that the tests are free, easy to get done and not too uncomfortable and the technology is really slick all helps. No-one minds doing it.

@Silverparting you’re right that being double vaccinated doesn’t guarantee you won’t catch COVID, as all the vaccine companies clearly state. However, it does reduce the likelihood by 90%+ and it does reduce transmissibility. You’re right that people who are double vaccinated are less likely to continue with preventative measures and therefore be at an increased probability of contracting COVID. That does not however link at all to not introducing the requirement for people to show they’re vaccinated. I’m sorry your children are too young to be vaccinated mine are to but that’s just the way it is at the moment.

Well what else were the vaccines for ? Do you think this massive roll out happened just for it to be ignored.
It was our way out of this!

@Silverparting

My friend, in his 40s, is double jabbed. He caught Covid this week. Being double jabbed does not protect people from contracting or spreading Covid - in fact, it gives many a false sense of security - so I don't see the point of passports, especially as my teens are too young to be vaccinated.

The covid passports will instigate a 2 tier society which is totally unfounded considering the vaccinated can still catch and transmit the virus. Lots of double jabbed are now testing positive.

As we were initially informed the main purpose of the jab was to lessen the symptoms yet those jabbed are still testing positive then there is no difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated therefore no justification for the passports

@Whyevencare you’re ignoring the fact that double vaccination reduces transmission of COVID. Again for the people at the back, the vaccines don’t have 100% efficacy no-one has ever said they do. But I’d rather take the 92% chance of not catching it thanks and making sure the people around me at dinner aren’t as likely to pass it onto me as someone who is unvaccinated

I didn't mention that my friend, double jabbed, was out with four others, double jabbed, who also caught Covid.

Doesn't feel like transmissibility is reduced in this case.

It’s fine by me....went to Wimbledon this week and it was no problem showing bar code from the nhs app....I took my 85 year old mum and just downloaded the nhs app for her the day before

@igelkott2021

If these are actually introduced I will just stick to takeaways or eating outside. I am fundamentally opposed to effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. And more selfishly, I don't want to be faffing about with an app, trying to get the right screen to prove my virtuous double-jabbedness. And even more so, I don't want to be queuing up behind lots of other people faffing about with their app!

Ludicrous idea.

Then when the third vaccine is out people being turned away as they’ve not been quick enough to have that “to keep you safe”

[quote MotherCanDoIt]@Suranjeep it is a good idea and I’m certainly no covidiot, it’s funny as you don’t even realise the dichotomy of that statement. I’m not in the UK currently and you need an app to get in anywhere, it shows you’re not meant to be isolating, have COVID and also whether you’re vaccinated or not. If the UK had implemented something like this it wouldn’t be in the current shitshow it is now. Equally vaccines have an efficacy rate generally in the 90%+ range, studies have shown even if you are vaccinated and infected you’re much less likely to be a spreader so yes I’d rather only sit with other vaccinated people inside a restaurant or cinema, it’s not rocket science nor a slippery slope.[/quote]
So you would be happy to ignore law surrounding discrimination and exclude these who cannot have a vaccine?