Covid passports for pubs, restaurants and clubs

[Suranjeep]

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

Not sure how that's going to be policed. It will just create a black market. They don't even police the qr code thing at the moment.

As soon as the government said "there will not be covid passports" i knew it would happen eventually

I think it's absolutely terrible. What a world we live in!

Yep, and something that people were dismissed as Covid denying tin foil hat wearing 5G granny killer anti vaxers over not long ago.

This will mission creep just like the original lockdown. It’ll become all public transport, and any where like shops, tourist attractions etc.

Horrific. This gets scarier by the day.

I strongly disagree with covid passports to access things like shops/pubs etc.

Considering id is easily faked, I would imagine that fake covid passports would follow suit.

People shouldn't need to prove they are either vaccinated or have a reason that appeals to others not to be vaccinated to access pubs etc. Or are we thinking it will be irrelevant why you are not vaccinated? A zero tolerance policy of no vaccine no entry? And discrimination be damned?

They are misreporting their own article which says “Entertainment venues in England would be forced to make customers use so-called vaccination passports from autumn, to prove that they had either had both doses or a negative test the day before.”

So vaccination won’t be required, it can be replaced by a negative test.

@Suranjeep

Yep, and something that people were dismissed as Covid denying tin foil hat wearing 5G granny killer anti vaxers over not long ago.

This will mission creep just like the original lockdown. It’ll become all public transport, and any where like shops, tourist attractions etc.

I agree, it definitely will. The goalposts will shift and shift...

Sorry but vaccination passport or negative test is effectively the same thing especially as access to tests will probably become more restrictive or at a cost for the end user (rather than via taxation)

Oh no it's just a conspiracy theory ..will never happen

Yeah it's a slippery slope

Sorry but vaccination passport or negative test is effectively the same thing

No it’s not, because one of those things doesn’t require you to be vaccinated.

You can’t claim that you are being forced to be vaccinated if there’s another option.

I suspect it's a scare story to try and nudge people to getting the vaccines

Oh I wonder who'll get the contract for those .
I genuinely don't see the point in them. Are they supposed to make customers feel safer?
The vaccinated can, and are, still contracting and spreading covid, cases round here are 10 times higher than in January when no-one was vaccinated, and everyone I know who has had covid recently is vaccinated .

Good.
However pubs it wouldn't stop much as all the unvaxxed kids could still go presumably.
And i would allow pfizer to at minimum under 50 and second doses in case that is the reason people arent fully vaxxed.

The gov are choosing so far not to vax kids but they will then all catch it as not enough adults have been vaxxed

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. It’s second nature now and nobody complains. If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits and it is all shown on the health app or Covid passport app. You just show it on entry to places. Perhaps the system is easier here than the U.K. but no-one makes a fuss, it’s just a process and life now. The upside is a relatively normal way of life now.

@noblegiraffe

They are misreporting their own article which says “Entertainment venues in England would be forced to make customers use so-called vaccination passports from autumn, to prove that they had either had both doses or a negative test the day before.”

So vaccination won’t be required, it can be replaced by a negative test.

How do you prove you have had a negative test?

I know someone who is going to Wimbledon and as that's a test event you need to either be double vaccinated or have a negative lateral flow test. But the test is done at home, so what's to stop someone reporting a negative test but not actually having done one? Other than the text from nhs, no proof is required. Pointless.

What will they do about tourists and others who were vaccinated abroad?

There is currently no way to transfer a foreign vaccination record to the NHS app, even if you have your vaccination card and vaccine batch numbers. I've tried but hit a brick wall - no can do...

I won't be using any of these place from when this is introduced, I don't mind for travel abroad or even large events but this is a step too far, I have had both my vaccinations.

Well indeed.

The Times has got everyone frothing about vaccine passports though, which is what I expect they wanted.

@noblegiraffe

Sorry but vaccination passport or negative test is effectively the same thing

No it’s not, because one of those things doesn’t require you to be vaccinated.

You can’t claim that you are being forced to be vaccinated if there’s another option.

Yes it is for the reason I said. If access to the tests became difficult or at a cost each time then its forcing people into vaccinations, this is espcially an issue if it then gets rolled out to places of work and transport etc

@FlowerArranger I thought your GP in the U.K. could do this? This is my worry when we return

The surname on my vaccine card is different from the name on my other forms of I.D. I wonder if this is going to cause an issue if it does happen at all.
Ugh, so sick of all of this. I felt so hopeful a few weeks ago but it all feels endless now .

"But the test is done at home, so what's to stop someone reporting a negative test but not actually having done one? Other than the text from nhs, no proof is required. Pointless."

Then there's nothing really to worry about people who haven't been vaccinated? Only people who need to worry is the vaccinated people who believe everyone is either vaccinated or had negative test?

@roguetomato

"But the test is done at home, so what's to stop someone reporting a negative test but not actually having done one? Other than the text from nhs, no proof is required. Pointless."

Then there's nothing really to worry about people who haven't been vaccinated? Only people who need to worry is the vaccinated people who believe everyone is either vaccinated or had negative test?

It's not about worry. It's about why threaten to implement a system that is easily (currently certainly) bypassed? Who gains out of it? What's the point of it?

The vaccinated shouldn't have anything to worry about in that scenario- they are vaccinated. It's the ones who are not, but are placing their faith in others that there is in fact a negative test that have potential issues.

Look at the tennis in Australia- the players and their team needed negative tests before boarding the plane but still several tested positive once in Australia.

A negative test, doesn't mean very much, especially unreliable tests.

@Beebityboo

The surname on my vaccine card is different from the name on my other forms of I.D. I wonder if this is going to cause an issue if it does happen at all. Ugh, so sick of all of this. I felt so hopeful a few weeks ago but it all feels endless now .

The NHS is what they are suggesting people use for other stuff such as travel, not the card - which we know is flawed as not all have names printed etc. The NHS app has the vaccine travel pass etc already there and will be linked to your proper records.