Covid passports for pubs, restaurants and clubs

[Suranjeep]

Being reported by the Times today to try and encourage the uptake in younger people.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1413755203183161347?s=21

I’m sure there’ll be many people along shortly to say how good it is, Covidiots, granny killers etc but this is the start of a slippery slope. It won’t just be pubs, clubs and restaurants it’ll soon go for everything.

We've never needed to show any proof of smallpox or polio vaccinations to access hospitality venues. And there's never been an attempt to vaccinate all adults for flu.
So yes this looks very different.

BringBackThinEyebrows (sadly mine are never otherwise now after waxing them to death in the early 2000s) here's a link, apologies for Daily Mail:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9769509/Lateral-flow-Covid-tests-free-end-August-health-boss-reveals.html

MaxNormal and yet records are kept about the vaccines you have received over your lifetime.

If you want to access fun / hospitality venues, you just have to accept the vaccine or a negative test. Unless of course the venue of your choice gives a shit, then anyone can go. I'm sure in time there will be covid passport fatigue.

In some cases maybe. I immigrated here and my parents are dead so I have literally no way of showing which vaccines I had as an infant and I'm not even sure myself. It's never ever come up in my entire life.

@MaxNormal and to put the tin lid on it...... we received a PIP letter today. There have been some changes in the PIP law that affect how PIP claims are decided. (in our case it says DH isnt affected) but here is a list from the back of the letter.

The people affected by these changes will most likely have a severe
cognitive impairment
intellectual impairment
developmental impairment
mental health condition.
Or a condition affecting the brain and nervous system with symptoms such as
blackouts fits or faints with loss of consciousness.

I have no idea whether these changes are for better or worse but im mentioning it here in light they are going to charge for tests and there may be some people with these conditions who cannot have the vaccine.

YANBU!

@Midwillowmum

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. It’s second nature now and nobody complains. If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits and it is all shown on the health app or Covid passport app. You just show it on entry to places. Perhaps the system is easier here than the U.K. but no-one makes a fuss, it’s just a process and life now. The upside is a relatively normal way of life now.

In this country we make a massive fuss and stamp our feet if we can't have our cake and eat it

@MercyBooth any PIP changes are always a source of worry! I'm glad your DH won't be affected. I'm assuming that it's for claims going forward and won't affect any existing benefits? I don't think I have to reapply till 2025.

And sorry yes meant to say it seems very unfair to put an additional financial burden on people already unable to work due to disability but most people won't care as usual.

I can see it happening but don't see it working. Between fake passports, fake tests, numerous exemptions (medical, under age), plus the issue that vaccinated people can still catch and spread Covid, I'm struggling to see the benefit of doing this but suspect they will.

A test unless done at an official testing place is meaningless as you could just get anyone to do it

If these are actually introduced I will just stick to takeaways or eating outside. I am fundamentally opposed to effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. And more selfishly, I don't want to be faffing about with an app, trying to get the right screen to prove my virtuous double-jabbedness. And even more so, I don't want to be queuing up behind lots of other people faffing about with their app!

Ludicrous idea.

@igelkott2021

If these are actually introduced I will just stick to takeaways or eating outside. I am fundamentally opposed to effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. And more selfishly, I don't want to be faffing about with an app, trying to get the right screen to prove my virtuous double-jabbedness. And even more so, I don't want to be queuing up behind lots of other people faffing about with their app!

Ludicrous idea.

Same here, I don't agree with it at all,

@igelkott2021

If these are actually introduced I will just stick to takeaways or eating outside. I am fundamentally opposed to effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. And more selfishly, I don't want to be faffing about with an app, trying to get the right screen to prove my virtuous double-jabbedness. And even more so, I don't want to be queuing up behind lots of other people faffing about with their app!

Ludicrous idea.

I would not give my money or custom to any establishment insisting on it.

people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits

Hmm there is a inconvenience versus pleasure equation here. Sticking something down my throat and up my nose twice a week is not worth it to go out for a meal when I could eat outdoors or get a takeaway. I am double jabbed, so presumably I wouldn't need to do the highly unpleasant tests, but there is still the whole queuing thing behind everyone faffing around with their mobile phones to get to the right screen. I know I am super-impatient but it would drive me mad.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Bad times if they run with this bullshit idea . Never been needed for any other disease/virus

Maybe not a virus but they banned smokers. Not seeing any different - those who want to be safe and be around like minded safe people and those who want to ban those who have refused vaccines

What are 'safe people'?

@Ylvamoon

This was always going to end in a 2 tier society. The vaccinated v un-vaccinated.

Truth is, there have been numerous vaccination programs from smallpox via polio to flu. All very successful, why do people think this is going to be different?

You don't have to constantly (or ever) prove that you have been vaccinated against polio or flu (smallpox isn't done anymore).

@MaxNormal Thanks for the link

Smoking is a bit different. We know 100% that smoking is unhealthy and it is also anti-social. Whereas if I have been double vaccinated there is only a tiny risk of me catching covid, and an even tinier risk of being ill with it.

And you don't have to queue to prove non-smoking status.

I live in Denmark and we have been using Covid passports for restaurants/museums/attractions for ages. ... no-one makes a fuss, it’s just a process and life now.

DK's uptake of vaccine is lower than UK.

If you are not vaccinated, people just test twice a week to cover impromptu visits

@Midwillowmum - what kind of test? PCR or LFT?

@MaxNormal

We've never needed to show any proof of smallpox or polio vaccinations to access hospitality venues. And there's never been an attempt to vaccinate all adults for flu. So yes this looks very different.

There hasn't been a case of polio or smallpox in the UK for 30 years...That's probably why.

Denmark info here.

Population = 5.8 million
guess 1 million ineligible
4.8 million could be vacced
Of whom 3.6 million have been jabbed
1.2 million people remaining ;

I'm betting at least a few 100k people are not testing regularly, they avoid restaurants instead.

@igelkott2021

How are people still comparing covid to the flu? Flu hasn't cost the global economy over $30tn in one year.

I read a government report which I will try to find and link which said the most likely to die from covid were those double jabbed.
So why are the government now saying they will do this? Other than for a contract for a mate and £££

@CantGetNoSleep73

I read a government report which I will try to find and link which said the most likely to die from covid were those double jabbed. So why are the government now saying they will do this? Other than for a contract for a mate and £££

I saw that and took it to mean that many elderly were double jabbed but would still be more likely to die from Covid than an unjabbed or single jabbed young person.