100,000 cases a day by August....bloody hell

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We're all going to get it eventually it seems

@CrouchEndTiger12

Control the virus.

How? Can you also control the tide? Flu is still around after the 1918 pandemic.

Do people genuinely believe you can control a virus?

Smallpox is a virus, and was eradicated. Rinderpest is a virus, and was eradicated. Polio is almost eradicated.

So, yes, the evidence is that you can eradicate a virus, and that you should probably read some books.

He gives away freedom with conditions. If public places refuse to admit people without masks, can they be sued? If you go to a Health centre and have to wait your turn outside and wear a mask, are they acting legally?
Can a restaurant, or cinema, etc. insist you wear a mask (obviously not when eating).
Liberty complained bitterly when the Lockdown Law came into force, and they seem somewhat silent now they have freedom again. (if such a thing exists.)

cushioncovers Islamist terrorists want to. for two years we have had to cover our faces and stay at home with the children, not go out to places of entertainment, bars and restaurants closed, and women behind closed doors feeling the brunt of male domination.

ISIL waged war and killed indiscriminately for years to force us to live like this. Do you think they will allow that to all change again if they can help it?

Tealightsandd I agree, but then I have first hand experience. I had a virus 35 years ago, from which I did not recover. It was diagnosed by spinal tap, which in itself nearly killed me. I did not know where from, though I was not the only one. I got up to go to work one day and my legs gave way. I learned to walk several times. The GBS became CIDP. There is a lot of similarity between myself and thousands in the face book groups to Long Covid. That bothers me. The NHS is supposed to be setting up rehab. clinics. Since I had mine, modern medicine produced new treatments for sufferers, but they are now told that not enough medications are being provided, yet the NHS must know the need. I can imagine the struggle Long Covid is producing in people of working age who now cannot, and I feel very sorry that, GBS, once rare, is now affecting a lot of people, so when the symptoms started appearing as Long Covid, they should have been better prepared.

People should have the vaccine. Those who do not, do not know what risks they take.

@Tealightsandd

They’re offering the vaccine to all 16+ in NZ and will likely offer it to under 16s in due course. There are vaccine trials being done for under 12s.

In the meantime NZ kids can get on with their lives with little risk of getting Long Covid or other issues because their government isn’t letting Covid rip.

This. Undisrupted schooling. And children there aren't having to deal with the trauma of Covid bereavement.

GOD we need a new government in Britain.

@masterblaster none of those viruses behave in the same way a coronavirus does. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.

@Localocal

Well said *@LilyPond2*

"Government has clearly given up on trying to protect vulnerable people for whom the vaccine is less effective, and vulnerable children who are not eligible for the vaccine".

I would add the Government is showing a casual disregard for healthy young people too. 18-30 year olds are only partly protected because they aren't eligible for a second dose yet, and under 18s aren't eligible at all. But we know that a high percentage of children who are infected will end up with long covid, even if they don't get sick initially.

It's a gross dereliction of duty not to vaccinate 12-17 year olds. It's another dereliction of duty not to give young adults their second doses as soon as possible. And it's a third dereliction of duty not to keep infection control measures, like face masks, in place until they do.

I thought until now that the government was actually trying, incompetently, to do the right thing. Now I think they are just trying to pretend it's all over so they look like they fixed it. It's not. And they didn't.

Given the government has repeatedly shown that all it cares about is staying in power to enrich their mates, why would they pay any attention to age groups that have the good sense to generally not vote Tory?

I can't even seem to get my second jab before the country reopens that's what's annoying me. Fine reopen but can everyone who wants a jab at least be allowed to get one before the country reopens.

I don't think we can keep locked down for a minority of people unfortunately . We had a boy who had cancer in my dc class. He had to be kept off school long term when his immune system stopped working, we all went to wave at his window because he couldn't see the other dc. Rubbish and sad but necessary. The whole world couldn't stop for the vulnerable before covid so how can it now?!

We have all been told over and over that more infections mean more mutations, more mutations mean more strains of concern. I can see a new strain emerging of a uk delta variant. What if the vaccine does not protect against that, then we are back to March 2020. The Astra Zeneca is not effective against the South African strain, thank fully that was quashed. But we should not let infections run out of control, it is too much of a gamble.

@Ineke

We have all been told over and over that more infections mean more mutations, more mutations mean more strains of concern. I can see a new strain emerging of a uk delta variant. What if the vaccine does not protect against that, then we are back to March 2020. The Astra Zeneca is not effective against the South African strain, thank fully that was quashed. But we should not let infections run out of control, it is too much of a gamble.

A cynic would suggest that is the governments aim, since the pandemic has been so successful at enriching its mates.

That is cases per day 100,000 per day. Covid lasts at least a week, so the figure is not staggeringly low. Especially when you consider 7% of these cases end up with long covid. 7000 long covid cases a day lasting 3 months to over a year. That is a lot of sick people.

Look at Sweden, cases are much lower, masks are optional, still going out for meals and meeting friends, but people are sensible. I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone gets it. Just because the set up and mentality of this country is ‘I do what I want and fuck everyone else’.
Not looking out for vulnerable children and not looking out for the elderly that have survived thus far. Vaccines are not bulletproof, everyone seems to be catching this now. Don't stop reporting cases, since when does the truth require hiding?!

@tiredwiththeshits The India variant has ONLY JUST appeared in Sweden.

@Ineke

We have all been told over and over that more infections mean more mutations, more mutations mean more strains of concern. I can see a new strain emerging of a uk delta variant. What if the vaccine does not protect against that, then we are back to March 2020. The Astra Zeneca is not effective against the South African strain, thank fully that was quashed. But we should not let infections run out of control, it is too much of a gamble.

So you want to go back to March 2020 and have a 3 month harsh lockdown to get the numbers down again do you?

We have to be realistic. Numbers are rising fast, despite restrictions, so the current restrictions aren't working, nor are the restrictions in place in April/May where infection rates were rising (i.e. still rising with closed pubs etc).

If we keep masks/SD etc for another month or two, we'll still hit 100,000 cases per day, but it'll take a few weeks longer to get there. Then we're heading into Autumn/Winter, so we'd have to keep masks/SD throughout Winter. It is really worth knackering entire industries that are hanging on by a thread (theatres, sports, hospitality etc), to keep some restrictions that don't actually work anyway? How much is everyone willing to pay in higher taxes, inflation, etc to pay for the continued Covid support (hundreds of billions to date), PLUS proper support for the 3 million excluded self employed who are barely surviving!

Answers please? It's easy to criticise but harder to come up with proper solutions.

So you want to go back to March 2020

The poster did not say she did. She said if a variant emerges, which the vaccine diesnt work against- then we will be back to March 2020. And she’s correct. We will have no option to have another full lockdown.

All the scientists, are saying that by dropping all Covid safety measures in July, when cases are rising so fast, , we will have the perfect conditions for the emergence of a new dangerous variant and this country will be then in complete lockdown.

@LizzieSiddal

So you want to go back to March 2020

The poster did not say she did. She said if a variant emerges, which the vaccine diesnt work against- then we will be back to March 2020. And she’s correct. We will have no option to have another full lockdown.

All the scientists, are saying that by dropping all Covid safety measures in July, when cases are rising so fast, , we will have the perfect conditions for the emergence of a new dangerous variant and this country will be then in complete lockdown.

Cases are already rising fast BEFORE the final restrictions are lifted. If we want to stop the rise NOW, then we have to go back into lockdown NOW. Otherwise, it's just a matter of delaying the hitting the 100,000 per day by a week or two. We're going to hit it anyway, even if masks/SD is kept on 19 July. It's not as if masks/SD are stopping the exponential rate of increase is it?

The trajectory is rising and has been rising ever since restrictions were first relaxed back around Easter. If we want to stop the rise and bring numbers down, we need a lockdown. Keeping SD/Masks etc won't stop the rise and won't stop us hitting 100,000 per day.

*@April506come on honestly ?

60,000 people die in one year with no social distancing or anything from flu in 2018 and 128,000 die from covid with ridiculous lockdowns in place these are not even comparable I'm afraid.*

That figure fir flu isn't even right. Way too high.

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@Youneverknowwhatyourgonnaget
Children should always come first
Unless you are a CEV child of course or a child with a CEV parent fir that matter and than you get lumped in with the elderly.
How has it not sunk in that we didn't lock down to protect the elderly. Hell no they shielded themselves. And no shielding was totally different to lockdown. Far more restrictive. Hell my kids couldn't even cuddle their ECV Dad and that wasn't even enough for some. We had relatives say we should have done much more.
I do sympathise re your dd. Indeed I have a child suffering from anxiety and self harm too. Yet she was like that before COVID and no one really gave a flying fuck about kids like her before . CAMHS and her school let her down and she missed far more education than my other DC did due to lockdown.

@Kazzyhoward

We’re not going into lockdown now. This Sunday will be the biggest superspreading event the country has seen - across households, pubs, streets, across the country. With a variant that had almost 100% household transmission rate.

[quote Lucidas]@Kazzyhoward

We’re not going into lockdown now. This Sunday will be the biggest superspreading event the country has seen - across households, pubs, streets, across the country. With a variant that had almost 100% household transmission rate.[/quote]
I think that's sort of the point!

We are partially opened up now and cases are rising fast. Soon we will open up further. Even if we were to retain social distancing and masks after the 19th July it would make little to no difference to the case numbers or the speed of the rise.

Masks and SD on their own will be completely pointless. If that are pointless then why bother?

If we want to get case numbers down we need to go into a strict lockdown now. On the basis that we are not going to do that and that 19th July goes ahead as planned I really cannot see the point in retaining masks past that point.

@Tiredwiththeshits

Look at Sweden, cases are much lower, masks are optional, still going out for meals and meeting friends, but people are sensible. I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone gets it. Just because the set up and mentality of this country is ‘I do what I want and fuck everyone else’. Not looking out for vulnerable children and not looking out for the elderly that have survived thus far. Vaccines are not bulletproof, everyone seems to be catching this now. Don't stop reporting cases, since when does the truth require hiding?!

Swedish people are a LOT more sensible than British people.

Aren't class sizes way lower in Sweden, and in general the population density far less?

School holidays in Sweden and other Nordic countries start in the first week of June so the kids there have not been in school for a month now. They have a 10 week school holiday usually.

Everyone throwing numbers around is conjecture, only now are PHE tacitly admitting that covid hospital admission figures are fudged - up to 40% of admissions werent due to covid related symptoms.
Sorry for DM link, something to read whilst I find the PHE report

4 in 10 hospital patients with Delta were admitted for other reasons www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9772259/40-patients-Indian-Delta-variant-admitted-hospital-reasons-Covid.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead