Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

I don't care who has or hasn't had the vaccine.

I only got it because I thought it would make travelling easier. It certainly wasn't based on protecting myself or others.

I don’t really care if someone has the vaccine or doesn’t but when isolation ends for the double vaccinated I hope the unvaccinated stick to their isolation. I also think they’re all going to get covid once restrictions go, as delta will be everywhere.

@Cap89

the number of non-ECV people who ended up hospitalised and and at best putting extreme pressure on the NHS, and at worst dying, was so high

Just picked up on this. There was not a really high number of young, non-CV people putting strain on the NHS. Where did you get this idea from?

[quote YellowMonday]@Wimpund21 by choosing not to be vaccinated would you accept the consequences of being restricted from workplace, school, travel, etc? I'm Australian and these types of restrictions are starting (frontline and age care workers), and further explored for other industries. People will have the right to choose not to vaccinate but they will not be given the right to place others at risk.

You speak to placing your family first, but people who choose to vaccinate probably feel the same way. Why then, is it acceptable for you to risk others?[/quote]
Ridiculous nonsense. While I am not an anti-vaxxer, the sort of nonsense that says that the unvaccinated are 'putting others at risk' makes me want to roll my eyes 360 degrees.

In any other area of life do you use the same self-serving standard? I mean self-serving for self-righteousness. Like, for example, if someone chooses (because vaccination IS a choice, sunshine) to drink to excess on a regular basis and therefore puts pressure on the NHS later in life, and puts others at risk through driving hung over (and that is potentially a much bigger individual risk than a non-vaccinated person giving someone covid), would you recommend that they be banned from the labour market? Do you think all prisoners who have had violent pasts should not get jobs later on because they chose to put others at risk? Do you think smokers should not get jobs because they definitely have and do put others at risk?

Get a grip.

@Carameljack

I don’t really care if someone has the vaccine or doesn’t but when isolation ends for the double vaccinated I hope the unvaccinated stick to their isolation. I also think they’re all going to get covid once restrictions go, as delta will be everywhere.

You realise the vaccine isn't 100% effective? 3 teachers at my son's school have tested positive. All 3 have been double vaccinated.

@Carameljack

I don’t really care if someone has the vaccine or doesn’t but when isolation ends for the double vaccinated I hope the unvaccinated stick to their isolation. I also think they’re all going to get covid once restrictions go, as delta will be everywhere.

If this virus is similar to flu in that it mutates very quickly and spreads very quickly, I am sorry to have to break it to you that everyone may catch it at some point. Some milder than others. That's why boosters are being developed. And like the flu vaccine, covid boosters are unlikely to provide 100% protection either.

even if your jabbed up you still at h it and spread it… derrrr don’t make sense

What doesn’t make sense shazzz1xx?
Jabs provide partial protection from spreading and excellent but not 100% protection from serious illness. Why is that so hard to understand?

Vaccine uptake was never going to be 100% and that’s ok. We don’t need it to be. We are on track to have enough of the population vaccinated so I do not see the need to ridicule people for choosing not get their vaccine.

I’ve had my first one, by the way and will get my second. Just don’t feel the need to belittle others for their own choice.

I didn’t say no one who is vaccinated will get covid? I think the majority people who aren’t most certainly will though.

Also you don’t have to be sorry to break it to me, my household have all had it and were fine.

ForeverSausages

Considering the government has gone on and on about young and generally healthy people being incredibly unlikely to become seriously ill from the virus, what else is there. Saying that though, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about long covid in young people and children. I'm more concerned about long term effects from the virus than the vaccine.

Wimpund21

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but agree nastiness on both sides is just as disgraceful. I've seen awful comments on other social media trotting out the 'if you refuse the vaccine, you should refuse health care'

NearlyAlwaysInsane

Very well said. And why aren’t people complaining about those that have had made poor choices health-wise putting themselves at a great risk of severe illness and/or death from Covid? They take up NHS resource after all…
The reason they don’t is that it would be grossly unfair. Same as it is grossly unfair to complain about people who doesn’t get vaccinated.

There are so many threads on here, where people have had the vaccine (both doses) and still catch it and can still spread it. So the unvaccinated don't really pose that much more risk

@PrettyVacancy

Ha ha, I love you two who are trying to call me stupid! Have either of you looked in a mirror recently? Just asking ...

The whole point of my posts is that I am NOT a researcher with a specialised knowledge of vaccines and neither, it would seem, are you two. So why do you not trust science and scientists, preferring instead, you own (very) limited knowledge of the subject to override that of people who do understand science? If you can't provide credible evidence that all these scientists are wrong why not?

To put it another way, in case it helps, what evidence do you have that you are right? Surely you have to prove your scientific credentials to expect me or other rational posters to believe your theories? As I said, would you be happy to work as a surgeon without any scientific knowledge? Would you be happy to be treated by a doctor with no scientific knowledge? Perhaps you would on both counts but that is a very reckless way of behaving and really won't go well for you.

At least you've gone from smug and condescending to outright rude, which at least is a bit more honest.

Quick question then - anyone with a bit more knowledge in a certain field or aspect of life - you simply believe whatever it is they tell you without ever thinking twice? Because that's certainly what you seem to be saying.

I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong here. I'm double vaccinated myself, having looked fairly closely into it and weighed all of the various factors, info and opinions up. I simply responded to your smug 'only stupid people question the experts' line to say that, in itself, unquestioning acceptance is almost as dangerous and idiotic as unquestioning denial.

You seem to wear not thinking for yourself as some kind of badge of pride - it's bizarre.

@Popcornriver

Wimpund21

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but agree nastiness on both sides is just as disgraceful. I've seen awful comments on other social media trotting out the 'if you refuse the vaccine, you should refuse health care'

I’ve seen this happen so many times and agree it’s disgraceful. Where does it end?

@Popcornriver

ForeverSausages

Considering the government has gone on and on about young and generally healthy people being incredibly unlikely to become seriously ill from the virus, what else is there. Saying that though, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about long covid in young people and children. I'm more concerned about long term effects from the virus than the vaccine.

That makes sense. A lot of my younger friends have chosen to have the vaccine due to it likely being easier to travel, go to large events (festivals etc); essentially less restrictions on them. Not one, I know anyway, has had it because it reduces transmission by up to 50%.

And also my sister is in her 20's and has long Covid. I completely appreciate those not wanting to go through that.

@Sunflowers095

Yes, birth control does have a long list of side effects. It helps women make an informed choice. It's also reassuring to know that a change to your body is an acknowledged side effect of whatever medication or vaccine.

Medical experts are not currently acknowledging the side effects that I'm experiencing after my first covid vaccination. The closest thing I've seen to an explanation is:
"The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has indicated that menstrual problems following the vaccine are likely to be coincidental. However, in April the British Medical Journal published an opinion from University of Huddersfield pharmacy lead Dr Hamid Merchant that said heavy bleeding could “possibly be an early sign” of rare blood clots that have been found to have “a possible link” to coronavirus vaccinations." from here.

Going ahead with my second jab would be stupid. I totally accept that medical experts know better than me, which is why it's terrifying when they can't tell me what's happening to my body or how long it will last. I had volunteered to be part of a study into the impact of covid-19 vaccines on menstrual cycles, but have been rejected due to the side effects I've experienced.

@NearlyAlwaysInsane

Drinking, smoking and violent crime are not fat-tailed, aka superspreading, incidents. Unlike covid. The number of secondary cases that can be generated by one infected individual renders comparisons to thinks like car accidents completely pointless.

[quote bumbleymummy]@Cap89

the number of non-ECV people who ended up hospitalised and and at best putting extreme pressure on the NHS, and at worst dying, was so high

Just picked up on this. There was not a really high number of young, non-CV people putting strain on the NHS. Where did you get this idea from?[/quote]
Not directly of any value to your question but I think there’s a mismatch of the understanding of ‘young’ in the context of covid admissions. My understanding is that there is a significant leap in the need for hospital support in groups from age 40 upwards. In comparison to the most at risk age groups (70+) 40ish is comparatively young.

Re the OP: in all honesty the most evidence I see/read of attitudes about the unvaccinated comes from the accounts of those people themselves, whether they’re talking about an actual experience or a presumption of how something will unfold in the future.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, of course it does, but I don’t think the scale of what is suggested on MN is anything like what it actually is in the real world. Imho MN has a lot of people feeding their persecution concerns off scenarios that haven’t happened.

Everyone is different and whether someone wants to get it or not is a completely personal decision and they shouldn't be belittled for doing either or.

Me personally, I am not an anti-vaxxer at all and will take every vaccination sent my way. HOWEVER, I am currently pregnant and am therefore swaying towards choosing to delay my vaccine until after baby is here, as I personally feel that not enough data or evidence has been gathered on the safety and efficacy on pregnant people. I will be getting my vaccine as soon as baby is here.

Everyone has their own views and shouldn't be judged either way.

Also, just to add. It concerns me that the vaccine is having an affect on menstrual cycles. It supposedly isn't meant to effect on anything like that at all - another reason why I will likely wait until my baby is here.

@shazzz1xx

even if your jabbed up you still at h it and spread it… derrrr don’t make sense

So what are you confused about?