Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

still no.

Every single person I know that's had the flu vaccine has been very ill with Covid...I dont think it's a coincidence.

Every single person I know that's had the flu vaccine hasn't had Covid at all.

Anecdotal evidence on MN is always a winner. 😂

Every single person I know that's had the flu vaccine has been very ill with Covid...I dont think it's a coincidence.

Most people who have been very ill with COVID will have had the flu jab because of their age or because they are clinically vulnerable and would be badly affected by flu. The same group is likely to be badly affected by COVID. So it's not exactly a coincidence and unlikely to be connected to the flu jab.
I know people who have had the flu jab who have been mildly affected by COVID, so your small sample of people you know already isn't a representative sample.

I don’t know how you would know who had had the flu vaccine. Ime everyone is talking about the covid vaccine, it’s a major topic of small talk, often the first thing someone tells you when you haven’t seen them for a while and Facebook is full of posts about it. Whereas the flu vaccine has never been interesting enough for that.

And yet flu can be deadly for vulnerable people too.

Every single person I know that's had the flu vaccine has been very ill with Covid...I dont think it's a coincidence.

Interestingly our secondary school head told us that they’d had an influx of covid cases at the start of the year but they were mostly in year 7s and in the week following nasal flu vaccine (only given to year 7s) and said “Make of that as you will!” She also said that there had been no cases of spread within any class bubbles.

I don’t know if any friends/acquaintances that haven’t had the flu jab when offered, and only 2 of those has Covid. Just a response to a pp.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/10/nhs-staff-abused-by-people-seeking-second-covid-jab-early-for-holiday

[quote MercyBooth]www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/10/nhs-staff-abused-by-people-seeking-second-covid-jab-early-for-holiday[/quote]
"For the good of society" my ass.

Yep. Vaccine passports. What could possibly go wrong? 🙄

"For the good of society" my ass.

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Spitting at volunteers and being aggressive with staff, all for the ‘greater good’...absolute dickheads.

I was sceptical due to ending up in hospital twice after having the flu jab with contracting pneumonia, I have never had it when I didn't have the jab. I was "persuaded" to have the Covid jab by my family as I am CEV & currently living with my 83 year old mum, other than a headache & massive lump I was surprised how well I felt with the first dose, I had no after effects with the second dose. My ds is double jabbed due to being my carer, he started with symptoms of Covid during the last 3 days, we are now awaiting results of a PCR test, he is really ill even though he is vaccinated, I dread to think how ill he would be without. The virus is ripping through his sixth form due to a couple of students stupidly coming to school even though they had tested positive the weekend before. It only takes one person to not isolate or ignore symptoms to lead to a major outbreak.

Some personal choices are selfish and made through ignorance. You need to defend any position through evidence not ‘personal choice’ if you want to be taken seriously.

DS has covid for the second time, being too young to be vaccinated. I'm really not feeling too sympathetic to people who won't take available steps to help protect people like him.

Taking steps to protect others is taking a risk of harm to yourself... if you look at the chart for risk vs benefits of covid vaccine at 'x'years old then it says up to about 30 (i think) the risks outweigh the benefits. Vaccinated people get less ill so all vulnerable people should have it for sure.

I do not like this forced culture of vaccine or self, everyone taking rhe moral high ground. Thanks to the vulnerable being vaccinated at their own wishes covid is now the 26th leading cause of death this month and 91% of people who died in the last 3 months of covid had a comorbidity.

If i were vulnerable i would still be wearing a mask, making sure i was jabbed and continuing to limit contact with people but the rest of the country should move forward, vaccinated or unvacinated at their own will and judgement.

Everyone's free to make the choice, but I don't intend to freely mingle/socialise with friends/family/colleagues who've refused the vaccine.

So far I'm only aware of two colleagues who've taken an anti-vax stance. I'll actively avoid interacting with them in person.

@Smoothsoul

I took a good few weeks to pluck up the courage to get my vaccine. I’ve lived a very very sheltered existence since lockdown last year and am in no hurry to be out. I am frightened of catching covid and frightened of the side effects of the jab. I went today to a huge local vaccination centre. I was shaking and terrified and on the verge of tears. One thing I was sure about was that I do not want the AZ vaccine, I only would prefer the Pfizer or moderna. The nurse at the centre only offered AZ ad was EXTREMELY pushy when I declined. I left very upset and had a cry in my car after all these weeks of pushing myself to go along with pressure from my parents and colleagues. I’m not sure what to do next. My only choice is to stay at home and keep working and shopping from home to keep myself safe.

Sorry to hear you are feeling anxious. There's no rush and it's completely your choice but if you do decide you want it, there are ways around the system. Could you feasibly pull off being pregnant, or possibly pregnant? On the NHS 'book a vaccine' page, if you tick the box that you could possibly be pregnant (no proof needed) it directs you to a clinic that is offering phizer and claims you'll only be offered that when you turn up... worth a go? Another clinic near me is offering drop in phizer jabs.

People are free not to have the vaccine.

I'm also free not to socialise with them, knowing there is no medical reason they have not been vaccinated and if they have the virus, would transmit it more readily.

My choice is to socialise with those who've helped to protect themselves and everyone else.

Frankly I'm fed up with the selfish excuses as to why it's someone's right not to be vaccinated.

You don't get to drive a car without passing a test because you are a danger to others.

You might be in a crash whilst learning but the odds are tiny but people still accept this.

Upshot, I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccines but I'm all in favour of your rights being curtailed if there's no medical reason not to.

@DeRigueurMortis

People are free not to have the vaccine.

I'm also free not to socialise with them, knowing there is no medical reason they have not been vaccinated and if they have the virus, would transmit it more readily.

My choice is to socialise with those who've helped to protect themselves and everyone else.

Frankly I'm fed up with the selfish excuses as to why it's someone's right not to be vaccinated.

You don't get to drive a car without passing a test because you are a danger to others.

You might be in a crash whilst learning but the odds are tiny but people still accept this.

Upshot, I'm not in favour of mandatory vaccines but I'm all in favour of your rights being curtailed if there's no medical reason not to.

I understand your logic that those who are unvaccinated are more likely to both catch covid and to pass it on to others. This will lead to continued high case numbers and a societal , health and economic cost. As a result you feel that those refusing the vaccine should not enjoy the same rights or benefits as those who choose to have the vaccine.

By the same logic those that are currently deleting or turning off the NHS track and trace app are consciously contributing to the uncontrolled spreading of Covid equally resulting in a societal, health and economic cost. Would you agree that given a record exists of who have downloaded the app and those that are now not showing up on the system, whether these "deleters" should also have their rights or benefits curtailed or perhaps be taxed more to pay for its £38 billion cost?

Or do you see a difference between the two and if so what?

Thing is, you're not just choosing what to do with your body. You're choosing to increase the risk of harm to everyone you come into contact with. So I see it the same as you "choosing" to drink and drive. You choose to potentially kill people. That's the reality.