Thoughts on the non-vaccinated!

[UnluckyMe]

Why have people been so critical of those who have chosen not to be vaccinated against covid 19?

I've read all sorts of comments about those, like me, who chose not to be vaccinated calling us selfish, uneducated and so on. There seems to be a massive lack of respect for what others choose to do with their body and I'm just curious as go why people feel the need to make comments about it. There are obviously many who don't and I do acknowledge that, my post is more directed to thoughts on why the other side do (feels very playground bully like to me).

The way I see it is everyone has a choice - respect that choice and move on with life rather than throwing insults at one another or dwell on something out of your own control.

I'd also like to confirm i do not own tin foil hat, expect the end of days soon or believe everyone will drop dead in 6 months / will transform into magneto from X-Men (all those coins sticking to people's arms!)

I have followed the rules down to a tee but have just chosen not to be vaccinated at present. Maybe I will change my mind, maybe I won't 🤷‍♀️ who knows.

I am genuinely curious - I read on another post "all vulnerable and sensible people have had the jab" as a comment which riled me a bit too! I like to think I'm pretty sensible but clearly this Mumsnetter thinks otherwise 😆😆

@WitchQueenOfDarkness

I have one friend who has chosen not to be vaccinated and is struggling to understand why I won't have lunch with her.

It's her decision of course but I also have the right not to knowingly put myself at risk.

See, I do not understand this. Surely she is more at risk having not had the vaccine herself. If you have had the vaccine, what are you so worried about? Do you not trust it?

@BounceyBumblebee

Herd mentality. Covid fear has become like a religion to some. Not following the narrative, and going against the grain, is like blasphemy to them.

Just ignore them. Keep quite, once the majority have been vaccinated the gov will end the propaganda and it'll all be forgotten.

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I took a good few weeks to pluck up the courage to get my vaccine. I’ve lived a very very sheltered existence since lockdown last year and am in no hurry to be out. I am frightened of catching covid and frightened of the side effects of the jab.
I went today to a huge local vaccination centre. I was shaking and terrified and on the verge of tears. One thing I was sure about was that I do not want the AZ vaccine, I only would prefer the Pfizer or moderna.
The nurse at the centre only offered AZ ad was EXTREMELY pushy when I declined. I left very upset and had a cry in my car after all these weeks of pushing myself to go along with pressure from my parents and colleagues.
I’m not sure what to do next. My only choice is to stay at home and keep working and shopping from home to keep myself safe.

Because your choices impact on other people as you are more likely to spread the virus, compared to if you were vaccinated. Two things stop the spread: restrictions and vaccination. With the new Delta variant being more transmissable, we need around 85% coverage for us not to need restrictions, otherwise infections will increase like they are now.

Our choices impact other people and it's only fair to acknowledge that.

It's a personal choice that impacts everyone around you though. It's a personal choice but a very selfish one.

It's your choice to get it or not get it but if others personally choose to be mean to you about it, then guess what? It's their choice.

If everyone made the same personal choice as you (no vaccine) we'd be in a much worse situation.

@Smoothsoul

I took a good few weeks to pluck up the courage to get my vaccine. I’ve lived a very very sheltered existence since lockdown last year and am in no hurry to be out. I am frightened of catching covid and frightened of the side effects of the jab. I went today to a huge local vaccination centre. I was shaking and terrified and on the verge of tears. One thing I was sure about was that I do not want the AZ vaccine, I only would prefer the Pfizer or moderna. The nurse at the centre only offered AZ ad was EXTREMELY pushy when I declined. I left very upset and had a cry in my car after all these weeks of pushing myself to go along with pressure from my parents and colleagues. I’m not sure what to do next. My only choice is to stay at home and keep working and shopping from home to keep myself safe.

Bless you. If it is any help my local council has been running Pfizer clinics as a lot of people locally had reservations around AZ. Perhaps get in touch with your counciks covid team to see if they have anything like this planned in the coming weeks.

Wish you all the best xx

As someone who has been vaccinated I find the same comes from people who have chosen not to have the vaccine. I’ve seen FB posts of people laughing and writing things to get a reaction.

Excellent post, @Kidsaregrim.

@BounceyBumblebee

Herd mentality. Covid fear has become like a religion to some. Not following the narrative, and going against the grain, is like blasphemy to them.

Just ignore them. Keep quite, once the majority have been vaccinated the gov will end the propaganda and it'll all be forgotten.

Do you also refuse all other vaccines? Would you not get treatment for cancer if needed because "herd mentality" or you'd go against the grain and pray the cancer away?

Surely you must understand how silly this sounds? I'm all for critical thinking but there seems to be very little independent thinking going on here. Unless you independently came to the conclusion that scientists all know less than you.

@XenoBitch, because vaccination does three things: makes you less likely to get seriously ill if you do get it, makes you less likely to get it and hence be capable of passing it on, and makes you less likely to pass it on if you do get it. The last two of those mean that it is more risky for @WitchQueenOfDarkness to have lunch with an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated one.

No one has to respect your choice, they have to respect your right to make a choice. There's a difference

@Sinner10

As someone who has been vaccinated I find the same comes from people who have chosen not to have the vaccine. I’ve seen FB posts of people laughing and writing things to get a reaction.

100% agree. I've seen some awful stuff from anti vaxers - totally works both ways.

I'm not wading in to have ago. I think it's because it's not just you who is affected by your decision. The vaccination is designed to protect you but also protect others.

I'm fully vaccinatec but am happy for everyone to make their own choice. I don't have any negative feelings towards those who've decided against it.

@XenoBitch - I know it's not 100% effective yes so limiting my exposure to high risk individuals like her is sensible. It's not worth a potential 10 days self isolation for me.

Her choice is putting others at risk and yes to be honest I do think less of her.

Look at the comments already

I don't get why they have to be like this either OP

So do you think less of those who choose not to be vaccinated?

I'm interested in why it matters to you what other people think about your choice, OP - surely the important thing is how you feel about your choice?

People criticise other people for all sorts of things - religious choices, dietary choices, relationship choices, etc - people have some surprisingly vehement opinions on all sorts of things that are someone else's decision to make, so it's pointless trying to understand where they're coming from if they're clearly on a different page.

[quote StrawberrySquash]**@XenoBitch, because vaccination does three things: makes you less likely to get seriously ill if you do get it, makes you less likely to get it and hence be capable of passing it on, and makes you less likely to pass it on if you do get it. The last two of those mean that it is more risky for @WitchQueenOfDarkness to have lunch with an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated one.[/quote]
Why are vaccinated people so scared of unvaccinated people?

I am vaccinated. I really don't give a monkey's uncle what you do OP. Provided that you don't whinge about not being allowed to travel, work in care, or anything else. You have the right to not be vaccinated and I totally agree with you on that. Everyone else has the right to decide whether they want to sit next to you on a plane, have you look after their vulnerable elderly mother, etc., etc. In a democracy, people have rights, but it is also true that the majority "wins". I didn't want BREXIT, but what the hell, I have got it and I don't bother whining about it. That's democracy, like it or lump it. The majority of us have chosen to the vaccinated. I will fight for your right to decide differently. But I won't fight for your right over the rights of myself or others. We all have to live with our choices. And that applies to you as well.

[quote WitchQueenofDarkness]@XenoBitch - I know it's not 100% effective yes so limiting my exposure to high risk individuals like her is sensible. It's not worth a potential 10 days self isolation for me.

Her choice is putting others at risk and yes to be honest I do think less of her.[/quote]
Would you avoid seeing her if she was unable to have the vaccine?

Why are you assuming your friend has Covid?

It's because we need herd immunity, people refusing the vaccine are being selfish

But if you're vaccinated, why are you so bothered? It's not selfish at all. Those who are vulnerable, have underlying health conditions or those that just want the vaccine have had the jab. So you're all okay anyway after the jabs surely. .or what would be the point. I cant have the jab right now due to an autoimmune issue, but even if I could I probably wouldnt as I think bodies (in the main) have a working immune system. We are creating a future problem.. a bit like antibiotics overuse in my view. Every single person I know that's had the flu vaccine has been very ill with Covid...I dont think it's a coincidence. Ultimately people have a choice and their medical history is no business of yours.

I've had my first jab and awaiting my second, I know a close family member though who doesn't want the vaccination, and even though I don't get that myself, I think you should be able to choose if you want it or not.
It shouldn't be made compulsory, and hate all this shaming of others.
At the end of the day does it come down to we are in control of our own bodies or not.

@UnluckyMe

Thanks I will give them a call tomorrow mornings along with my gp. I’m of the mindset that I would like it and I’d like it now before I change my mind!
Im still scared of the after effects of the jab but even more frightened of Covid.
I’m 46 so not a candidate for anything other than AZ

@BounceyBumblebee

Herd mentality. Covid fear has become like a religion to some. Not following the narrative, and going against the grain, is like blasphemy to them.

Just ignore them. Keep quite, once the majority have been vaccinated the gov will end the propaganda and it'll all be forgotten.

I literally don’t give a shit if people are vaccinated or not

Honestly don’t care

But this whole ‘we is rebels’ crap is tiresome

@Cherryana

The vaccination programme working is because people have to take a possible individual risk for the good of the ‘group’ or in our case, country.

It’s quite a different way of thinking than our individualistic society.

Because so many have had it, it’s entirely plausible that you will benefit from the risk taken by others and you will never had to take the individual risk.

I do think that because I have had the vaccine to suppose that I don’t concern myself with the risk of putting something alien into my body would be incorrect. Of course I do but on balance I think:

• vaccination programmes have saved lives and helped us immensely eg polio, measles etc
• the people first in the queue to have it were healthcare professionals
• same healthcare professionals are not ‘government loving drones’ but highly educated and experienced professionals
• that it works is self evident of because less people are dying since the vaccine has been administered- this is not some government coverup or hoax this is seen in the data.

Agree with this.