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Lisa Shaw death possibly connected to the vaccine

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Notagoodtime · 27/05/2021 17:50

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

This is so very sad

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bigvig · 27/05/2021 20:54

Natural immunity = immunity from getting the actual virus. Sorry I thought that was clear. All the reports I've read pre this pandemic suggest that a vacinne rather than getting the virus naturally does not trigger the same response - hence you get better more long lasting more adaptable immunity from getting the natural virus - yes you are taking a risk but that's up to the individual surely. Vacinnes try to mimic the body's natural response. It makes sense to me that letting the body work naturally if you are healthy is the best option. If I'm wrong so be it. If someone can point me to a credible study (pre this pandemic) and which is not funded by those with a vested interest then I'm willing to read it and accept if I'm wrong.

somgreatapollo · 27/05/2021 20:56

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bytheby · 27/05/2021 20:58

@ImaHogg

So far, in my little world we have my parents neighbours daughter in law who has suffered a clot in her brain, my dh’s cousin had a clot in his leg, and his uncle had a stroke. DH works in a job where he regularly chats to the general public and yesterday got chatting to a man in his 50’s who said he has been in exceptional health all his life until a few weeks ago, he was found to have a clot in his leg. These all occurred a few days to a few weeks post the AZ vaccine. To much of a coincidence for my liking and obviously not as rare as they are telling us.
well just to add a counter... As this thread is getting out of hand. I know hundreds of people who have had the vaccine and don't know anyone who has had any problems other than feeling a bit rubbish immediately afterwards.
speckledostrichegg · 27/05/2021 20:59

@bigvig

Natural immunity = immunity from getting the actual virus. Sorry I thought that was clear. All the reports I've read pre this pandemic suggest that a vacinne rather than getting the virus naturally does not trigger the same response - hence you get better more long lasting more adaptable immunity from getting the natural virus - yes you are taking a risk but that's up to the individual surely. Vacinnes try to mimic the body's natural response. It makes sense to me that letting the body work naturally if you are healthy is the best option. If I'm wrong so be it. If someone can point me to a credible study (pre this pandemic) and which is not funded by those with a vested interest then I'm willing to read it and accept if I'm wrong.
@bigvig well you first, where are the studies demonstrating

a) immunity from a previous infection is more long lasting, when compared to immunity from a vaccination
b) vaccination reduces the immune response to other pathogens that aren't coronavirus

Zanzibar55 · 27/05/2021 21:00

Johns Hopkins does state preclinical trials can take 1-10 years for vaccine development, and in an accelerated situation, phase 3 long-term testing can take up to 2 years. That is, before it is rolled out to the general population
This procedure is for normal vaccines in normal times. A worldwide pandemic does not constitute normality. The vaccines were developed with rigorous testing, by the best scientists, with shedloads of cash thrown at them.
The testing that would normally be done in a linear sequence has been done in a parallel way instead.
Yes, it is desperately sad that a 44 year old has died before her time, but there is, as yet, no positive proof that her death was as a direct result of the vaccine.

secular39 · 27/05/2021 21:00

@Dorothy1940

My heart goes out to this poor woman RIP. She sounds like a good person who has done her bit for society and very sadly paid a terrible price but that price is still better than long covid and infecting others. We need to remember that she has probably saved several lives by her sacrifice so her death is not in vain.

If only others were as compassionate to the vulnerable as this lovely lady and there were no anti vaxxers we would be out of this mess! I spoke with my grand daughter about her taking the vaccine and she has told me if her life lost saves several other lives who cant take the vaccine it is worthwhile. I shall drive her to the vaccine appointment myself as she is nervous about the vaccine but beautiful people like this lady and my grand daughter put the selfish people who wont take the vaccine to shame

I'm sorry but I don't agree at all. I will not put others first before myself. I have done that for many years and all it has done is cost my time, my health and my mental well-being. I will not "sacrifice" for the greater good of getting the vaccine done to save other. My first concern is myself, family and my loved ones.. I've done my research and I've decided not to get it-for now.
somgreatapollo · 27/05/2021 21:01

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IndigoC · 27/05/2021 21:02

@MrsIsobelCrawley

My heart goes out to this poor woman RIP. She sounds like a good person who has done her bit for society and very sadly paid a terrible price but that price is still better than long covid and infecting others. We need to remember that she has probably saved several lives by her sacrifice so her death is not in vain.

What utter tosh.

The truth of the matter is that Lisa Shaw was given a vaccine that most other countries deem unsafe for a 42 year-old woman.

Exactly.

This vaccine is inappropriate for under 50s, possibly 60s. Not just because of the clot risk, but due to strong inflammatory response it seems to provoke in the middle aged and young. This is not a choice of Covid or AZ. There are other vaccines, with better efficacy, and that’s what we should be using. Even Johnson & Johnson (which mysteriously hadn’t been approved yet despite us ordering 30 million and it being used in most other Western nations) has an overall ten-fold less chance of causing VITT.

maxbabi · 27/05/2021 21:03

I'm so pleased to read this.
I'm still suffering from my first Pfizer in Feb.
Reading the heart scares freaks me out as I get palpitations and breathlessness (since the jab). I have been diagnosed with pvf from the vaccine.
I was so pro vaccine but this has really messed me up.
I also now have had abnormal thyroid results.
I also got large blisters on the back of my calf tests showed no infection although Doctor was adamant it was.
I wish medical professionals took this seriously.
I will not have the second dose.

Postdatedpandemic · 27/05/2021 21:03

Covid causes blood clots. The vaccine hopefully causes a far lower percentage.

Dustyboots · 27/05/2021 21:04

I trust my immune system to give me immunity better than a vaccine m.

randomkey123 · 27/05/2021 21:05

I had my 2nd AZ vaccination last week. I've felt horribly unwell ever since - headache, nausea, joint pains especially my hips, blocked sinuses and a dreadful cough. GP didn't want to know, 111 said it was within the normal range of side effects.

It's not so much the vaccine, it's the chronic lack of access to medical care following it that is the problem.

bytheby · 27/05/2021 21:07

@somgreatapollo no I don't want people to lie.

I just wanted to offer my lived experience to balance it out a bit. You have people on here saying they know numerous people who have had clots. That's quite scary so I wanted to make clear that many of us know no one that has had a clot.

I do know 3 people that have died from covid though. 2 elderly, 1 in their forties.

LilQueenie · 27/05/2021 21:09

well the conspiracy theorists were right on this one and it's the reason for the blood clots. The virus is being transported into the nucleus of the cell and not the outer part of it. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/27/german-scientists-claim-discovered-coronavirus-vaccines-cause/

EvenRosesHaveThorns · 27/05/2021 21:09

When people are saying the vaccine made you feel unwell (Ie fluey, lethargic etc. as opposed to blood.clots), that's a small, 1% taster of what the real COVID would be like. Now, would you prefer the vaccine or the full-blown real deal? Hmm

Everdreamer1990 · 27/05/2021 21:10

I am 30, I had Covid in March this year & I have recently tested + for antibodies. I have received my text today to book my vaccine & I have no idea what to do.

I feel I don't need it & I am terrified about having a reaction or (God forbid), leaving my 1 year old daughter without a mummy. Covid was mild for me & I have no lasting problems. I know I may catch it again but I trust my body to be able to fight infection.

The problem is, nobody else I speak to sees what I am saying. It's like I have to constantly explain why I'm worried to get the vaccine when Covid only made me feel like I had a slight hangover. My friends are all getting vaccinated & their SM is full of photos of them posing with their cards.

I know of some people personally badly affected after their vacs, one who developed a clot & it terrifies me. I know I won't be given AZ but I have no way of knowing how my body will react to the Pfeizer vaccine either.

I'm booked to go in a couple of weeks. I wanted to give it more time despite my friends all rushing now to have theirs but I still don't know if I'll actually go to have it.

If I don't have it though, I'm so worried that people will treat me differently, verbally abuse me or judge me. I'm worried that I'll never be able to leave the country or visit an event. I have no idea what to do.

Dustyboots · 27/05/2021 21:11

The vaccine program is the only thing the British public think our government has got right in this pandemic. So the government can’t allow any chinks of doubt to be shown.

They’ll keep rolling it out regardless of side effects and fatalities. The side effects and fatalities are just a hindrance to their ‘success’.

XenoBitch · 27/05/2021 21:12

@EvenRosesHaveThorns

When people are saying the vaccine made you feel unwell (Ie fluey, lethargic etc. as opposed to blood.clots), that's a small, 1% taster of what the real COVID would be like. Now, would you prefer the vaccine or the full-blown real deal? Hmm
Plenty of people had Covid and only knew because they had a test and it came up positive. No symptoms at all.
somgreatapollo · 27/05/2021 21:15

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Everdreamer1990 · 27/05/2021 21:16

@EvenRosesHaveThorns I had Covid & felt 'hungover'. I had headaches, tiredness & slight nausea followed by a stuffy nose.

I never felt really unwell. I never had a cough, never had a fever, I was never breathless etc.

My 1 year old, who was also positive, only had a runny nose for 2 days but she perfectly fine in herself.

Not everyone that gets Covid feels horrendous.

muffindays · 27/05/2021 21:17

If anyone is breathless after a vaccine please please call 111 or your GP. A relative has just been admitted to hospital with pulmonary embolism, 8 weeks after the AZ vaccine. The Drs said the clots are not the same as the ones showing in side effects from the AZ vaccine, and is not related, but it is the first time this has occurred for this relative and I think it's really strange that it was a few weeks after the jab it happened. I don't want to scare people but I do want people to take any side effects like breathlessness seriously in case it is something serious that needs treatment. I also think people should definitely get the jab as the side effects are not nearly as likely or dangerous as covid!!

Wonderwall1995 · 27/05/2021 21:18

@EvenRosesHaveThorns I had covid and only knew because of regular testing at work, no symptoms not even feeling a bit tired whatsoever. Had the vaccine and was in bed for a week feeling horrendous and still suffer with fatigue 6 weeks on. Absolutely won’t be having the second one.

Dustyboots · 27/05/2021 21:19

Plenty of people had Covid and only knew because they had a test and it came up positive. No symptoms at all.

Yes. This seems to have been mysteriously forgotten. It used to be talked about a lot. Are there no mild or asymptomatic cases anymore?

murbblurb · 27/05/2021 21:19

Fucksake, MN absolutes. Very few younger types die of covid. Lots have had their lives screwed up with long covid. It is not 'death or nothing'.

There is a choice. Basic maths and risk assessment makes it easy for most. But as we have a high dumbfuck percentage in this country, it's not promising.

Covid will probably burn itself out in a year or so and the dumbfuck brigade will again not be able to understand correlation and causation.

MrsIsobelCrawley · 27/05/2021 21:20

@Postdatedpandemic

Covid causes blood clots. The vaccine hopefully causes a far lower percentage.
Yes, covid will cause more blood clots in older women and in men.

But this is not the case for a 44 year-old woman.