Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

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Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

The thing is even if he says yes to 21st next week, things could have changed by then.

I don’t think he has the balls to risk the “it’s definitely going ahead, no it’s not” u turn of Christmas again

It's a pandemic ,cases are going up in certain areas ,but hospital admissions remain relatively low So far ,I don't think they are deliberately keeping things from us they don't know yet ,the road map was never set in stone just guidelines for if everything went to plan .

I'm wondering this too.

We've got the vaccines, yet we are still being told we may still not get back to normal.

There will always be variants. So what will it take to get back to normal?

They just don't know for sure.

They need a bit more time to get more data on it

@PleaseStopExplaining

The thing is even if he says yes to 21st next week, things could have changed by then.

I don’t think he has the balls to risk the “it’s definitely going ahead, no it’s not” u turn of Christmas again

I didn't think I could hate him and his cretins anymore than I did

But here we are.

It's just shit. I know of a number of other couples due to marry after postponement on 26th June, or the weeks after. And we are bereft that it may not happen.

It's like being told everyone in a party gets a party favour but you don't became someone wanted 2. But it's "well done for having your vaccine and staying home, but fuck you anyway"

I know it's a glorified party to some. I totally got that in June last year, in fact, we postponed in April.

Being so close to the end, seeing every other roadmap reached. It feels cruel. Like a kick in the guts

I assume when it's proved vaccines work and hospital admissions remain relatively low,fingers crossed.

Hospital admissions are practically zero, not relatively low.

I am sorry for you, it's rubbish. My best friend is due to get married on June 25th and this is the 3rd date we have been given, the first was September but once there were all the restrictions in place she didn't want to cut her numbers so drastically. The next one was March and that was obviously not allowed so we were all pinning our hopes on this one. I really hope that things do go to plan.

@Pootle40

Hospital admissions are practically zero, not relatively low.

Err maybe where you are I live in Bolton and our infection rate is currently 301/100,000 and 18 Im hospital although the Bolton news did report that had gone up to 23 ,I'm trying to remain positive however .

But the PM never said everything would end from the 21st June. Each stage was a ‘not before’ and dependent on ‘data not dates’.

18 in hospital as a rate?

OP you are not alone - best wishes - t'is all as long as a piece of Tory string.....

At the moment the caution is because nobody knows the full impact of the new variant, even continuing with opening up on 17th May has been heavily criticised by some. It would take a small miracle for all restrictions to drop on 21st June with the way things are, certainly travel won't be fully open. I hope the miracle happens though of course, or at least that your wedding isn't affected.

@motherrunner

But the PM never said everything would end from the 21st June. Each stage was a ‘not before’ and dependent on ‘data not dates’.

Yes, but every single step, including Monday, went ahead

So that did give us hope

It's not just the wedding

My teen DD is failing every subject bar one. They start GCSE work properly from September (their school starts in year 9 to give them a calmer practice run, well they did, but now DS in year 8 won't be picking his until next year due to Lockdowns).

They're not themselves at all. DS is practically incapable of speaking to people outside his friendship group and his teachers other than us. He's lost social skills. He actually said he liked online learning. He's turned inwards.
DD is mute and not in that teenage way. In a, struggles to find happiness or excitement in anything, because according to them, what's the point because it will only be cancelled. Even they would rather repeat year 9 even if it meant being with their brother. But our LEA don't allow that.

So they now feel like they're on the scrapheap. They got a U in maths. Nothing above a 3 for everything else.

This is having a hugely detrimental effect on so many.

They have to see how this current easing goes first. It takes time to collect data. They have said this every step of the way.

June 21st was never set in stone, it was ‘not before’. Most people I know planned events for a bit later, assuming it would get pushed back by a couple of weeks.

It was always going to be two weeks from yesterday at the earliest, because they need time to gather data on yesterday’s changes.

I do sympathise; my wedding got cancelled three times last year, it’s a nightmare. But you won’t know until probably around the 7th/8th, unless things stabilise a bit.

If you’re a “hope for the best but prepare for the worst” type of person, like me, I’d be preparing for it to go ahead under the current guidance; with 30 guests. If you then can have more and don’t need to use the plans, that’s fantastic.

If you don’t want to do that, it’s probably a waiting game now, unless your venue would be happy to postpone again.

It's the same pattern as always.

Boris hints at two completely opposite routes and waits to see which one is the more popular and then pretends that that's the version HE always wanted too.

So instead of halting things yesterday and waiting to see what happened before opening up more, he delays until he believes that taking action will not cost votes - the delay of course makes any necessary action 100x more severe than it might have been with early adoption.

It's basically what you get when you put a populist in power.

Does doing things early and short really help, thinking back to everyone going on about Wales firebreak much wanted on here. It wasn’t that great.

I agree absolutely OP.

So they now feel like they're on the scrapheap. They got a U in maths. Nothing above a 3 for everything else.

They're in Y9 so they have two years before taking GCSEs- so far from being in the scrap heap

I have a Y11 DD so am struggling to see why 3s in Y9 means being on the scrap heap.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity

In the nicest possible way tough. You’re asking for the impossible if you think anyone can give cast iron guarantees about where we’ll be in over a months time.

Viruses and vaccinations just don’t work that way and there are a lot of variables that could change the course of wherever we think we’re heading right now for the good or bad.

I do think it's a matter of waiting and seeing because they know cases have risen sharply last week, but they don't totally know how the vaccine is going to affect things yet. Will the number of vaccinations so far be enough to keep severe hospitalization and deaths low despite cases rising? Will cases rise more slowly than previously despite the Indian variant being more transmissable? This is what they need to monitor.