Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

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Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

Because that's who is still going to hospital- the vulnerable who said no.

My understanding was that those in hospital with the new variant included the vaccinated, including the fully vaccinated.

@x2boys 18 in hospital WITH Covid. That doesn't mean they are being treated for Covid.

Not getting into the ins and outs of all this

But I just wanted to say how sorry I am for you OP for the threat to your wedding. Yes there may be bigger issues in the world but this was your thing that you were hoping for. I am sorry it's being ruined

Sorry about your wedding uncertainty, OP. :(

I can't support finding people to blame, though. Don't think it's how I work, anyway.

I haven't paid any attention to roadmap because I thought "I'll believe it when I see it; I'll pay attention to new rules only on the day they actually come in."

Today someone asked me about holiday plans today: "yeah how's that gonna work if one of us tests positive the night before departure?" is all I can think.

It's a lousy time to make plans, for sure.

Yes, here is the Peston tweet twitter.com/Peston/status/1394345925179498498

I think what really annoys me is because Johnson hates to disappoint us he won't take steps now to limit the deferrals he may have to impose further down the track. He's a bumbler, he's just too bloody slow.

I know it's upsetting having it possibly changed again but it's a wedding. Have the wedding, join together, and have the big party you "want" later.

What I want is to see my DP again. To have had a chance to have said goodbye to them but couldn't, to have have given them the funeral they deserved with the rest of their family in attendance. Not being told no-one could sing, service could only be 200 words and whole things was 15 minutes in total. 30 were allowed but room could only hold 20 socially distanced so that was it.

And incidentally, that still applies to funerals. Actual numbers are now now set but depend upon how many people the room can hold socially distanced. That elf same room still only allows 20 people so nothing has changed in reality for a lot of funerals. And if you want to burn everything and not get married because you can't have a party you want, in the cold light of day, then I feel sorry for you as you are getting married for the wrong reasons

@Purpleheadgirl

I know it's upsetting having it possibly changed again but it's a wedding. Have the wedding, join together, and have the big party you "want" later.

What I want is to see my DP again. To have had a chance to have said goodbye to them but couldn't, to have have given them the funeral they deserved with the rest of their family in attendance. Not being told no-one could sing, service could only be 200 words and whole things was 15 minutes in total. 30 were allowed but room could only hold 20 socially distanced so that was it.

And incidentally, that still applies to funerals. Actual numbers are now now set but depend upon how many people the room can hold socially distanced. That elf same room still only allows 20 people so nothing has changed in reality for a lot of funerals. And if you want to burn everything and not get married because you can't have a party you want, in the cold light of day, then I feel sorry for you as you are getting married for the wrong reasons

No I'm not getting married for the wrong reasons. I suggest you actually read what I've said about actually being able to cut the numbers and why those people are all significant before you comment

I'm sorry you lost your DP. But I'm one of those who has followed guidance to the letter and had my vaccine to protect myself and others.
It's those who ignored, had parties where the police did nothing, don't have vaccines who put others at risk and deserve all the abuse they get.

@Pootle40

Hospital admissions are practically zero, not relatively low.

7 day U.K. average is about 70/day.

Low, not practically zero.

Actually @Ninefeettall DP is as angry as me and totally gets why I'm so angry too.

I can't believe there are people here hoping we split up
That's really scummy behaviour. Shame on you

That's good then, you're on the same page. I hope you have a lovely wedding despite the pandemic, and that you have a happy day.

It's those who ignored, had parties where the police did nothing, don't have vaccines who put others at risk and deserve all the abuse they get.

OP, there is no point in blaming these demonised 'others'. The problem is the virus, and the way the Government has handled the virus (cf Australia - less vaccinated than us, not necessarily more active police, just a Government who acted completely differently, alongside geographical isolation).

The Inidan variant is not here, and not spreading, because of unvaccinated people - the infection is growing fastest in 10-19 year olds, who are not vaccinated. It is not growing because of parties - more because of much more normal events like schooling and who lives together. It is growing because of cross border movement - the government's remit, but partly inevitable due to trade links - and because the mutation of the virus has made it more infectious.

[Sorry, 10-29 year olds, not 10-19 year olds]

“ Cut her a fucking break. All the insults on this thread. It's disgusting”

Maybe if the OP wasn’t so quick to put words into others’ mouths (and then accuse others of doing what she’s been doing the entire thread) and throw insults herself, people would cut her a fucking break.

I also don’t get why OP doesn’t understand the difference between eating a meal in a restaurant and an all-day wedding. She must be planning a two hour reception to be so confidently comparing them.

I think you’ll be fine.

Certain aspects might not happen as planned but I think they’ll let weddings operate as normal.

If they don’t it because numbers in hospital are sky rocketing, which can only really be caused by vaccine inefficacy against the Indian variant. Which a) will be depressing for everyone, and b) mean restrictions are absolutely necessary. I think everyone is hopeful that won’t be the case though.

Good luck Op. chill until after the bank holiday, it’ll be clear by then.

@Nekoness

“ Cut her a fucking break. All the insults on this thread. It's disgusting”

Maybe if the OP wasn’t so quick to put words into others’ mouths (and then accuse others of doing what she’s been doing the entire thread) and throw insults herself, people would cut her a fucking break.

I also don’t get why OP doesn’t understand the difference between eating a meal in a restaurant and an all-day wedding. She must be planning a two hour reception to be so confidently comparing them.

Oh look more insults. Slow clap.

Nokoness,

I feel similarly.

If the OP had said 'I'm really upset about the news around 21st June, with the new virus mutation causing fresh uncertainty. I really want to get married and am frustrated and upset that the occasion can't be as I planned it', then the response would also have been in a different tone.

Do you know what, I'm not justifying myself to you anymore
I've been told I'm thick, stupid, have DCs who are stupid for being upset, been patronised and ignored.

If you all like this never ending cycle of falsehood and goalpost switching then good on you

I think if this doesn't unlock now there will be riots and I'm passed caring who gets the brunt of that. We know who is responsible. And if they get grief then good.

I think frankly most of you here stalk this board to be abusive.

What sad lives you must lead to do that and not care if we never get any say in our lives daily

To the few of you who were as disgusted by these trolls as me, I thank you for your kind words and understanding. As one said, apparently on MN having a shit wedding is a badge of honour. Or maybe it's because you are as nasty in the real world as you are online

Everything was looking good but Boris has been blindsided by this Indian variant, like the Kent one before Christmas.

Boris waited as long as he could to save Christmas but then had to cancel last minute. What are the chances the same will happen here?

@User135644

Everything was looking good but Boris has been blindsided by this Indian variant, like the Kent one before Christmas.

Boris waited as long as he could to save Christmas but then had to cancel last minute. What are the chances the same will happen here?

I think we can all agree it was a fucking mistake to not cancel Christmas.

@FoolsAssassin

Think I saw a tweet from Peston saying that he has been briefed that chances of further relaxation on 21st June are practically nil. He has generally been fairly accurate so I’’m assuming this is fairly likely to be correct.

They'll loosen restrictions more June 21st but they're prepping people for the reality it might not be as hoped.

They might keep table service only in pubs for example and some social distancing measures will stay, masks in shops/public transport.

OP, I hope that you reach some kind of resolution that works for you.

As others have said, the virus is not something you personally can control, and with luck the restrictions will be eased enough to give you much of what you would like.

I wish you a long and happy marriage. Even in the best of times, things are not always predictable - the wedding went smoothly enough for us, but me nearly dying of an asthma attack a couple of days into the honeymoon is what we REALLY remember and reminisce about! In fact, it is a much more well-loved and more retold family story than the wedding itself ... I hope that 'how the pandemic nearly stole our wedding' is a similarly fond story for you, 25 years on.

@User135644

Everything was looking good but Boris has been blindsided by this Indian variant, like the Kent one before Christmas.

Boris waited as long as he could to save Christmas but then had to cancel last minute. What are the chances the same will happen here?

He wasn’t blindsided, he just did what he usually does, which is fail to be decisive and act quick enough (in this instance because it seems like he wanted to keep his options open for his trade deal). There was plenty of notice about the Indian variant.

@User135644

Everything was looking good but Boris has been blindsided by this Indian variant, like the Kent one before Christmas.

Boris waited as long as he could to save Christmas but then had to cancel last minute. What are the chances the same will happen here?

You can't get blindsided by something everyone warned you would happen if you didn't put in place effective border controls.

This chart is January 1st to April 4th in India.

B1617 is the red one.