Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

[Tiktokersmiracle]

Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

@LynetteScavo

So they now feel like they're on the scrapheap. They got a U in maths. Nothing above a 3 for everything else.

They're in Y9 so they have two years before taking GCSEs- so far from being in the scrap heap

I have a Y11 DD so am struggling to see why 3s in Y9 means being on the scrap heap.

They feel that way because they were doing well before. They took part in online learning. Their confidence is shot to bits. I've tried to reassure them. But the confidence thing is very bad right now I actually find it quite rude of you to comment that way on how a teenager feels after this. Everyone is different. Everyone's feeling is valid. Using that emoji is just nasty.

I want some clarity

Don’t be so stupid. It’s a pandemic.

@Overthebow

June 21st was never set in stone, it was ‘not before’. Most people I know planned events for a bit later, assuming it would get pushed back by a couple of weeks.

I agree with this, I'm sorry but I don't know why everyone thought June 21st was set in stone. I'm getting married in August & have cut my list dramatically because I never thought things would just suddenly go back to normal on the 21st June.

I'm sorry that your teens are suffering, but I'm not actually sure why further easing of restrictions will make significantly more difference to them? Schools are open; they can socialise with friends including eating out with them; they can even go to each others' houses now! Children's activities are allowed to be open. They are young enough that this is really really unlikely to affect their GCSEs.

@GlutenFreeGingerCake

I do think it's a matter of waiting and seeing because they know cases have risen sharply last week, but they don't totally know how the vaccine is going to affect things yet. Will the number of vaccinations so far be enough to keep severe hospitalization and deaths low despite cases rising? Will cases rise more slowly than previously despite the Indian variant being more transmissable? This is what they need to monitor.

While what you say has some truth - the reality is that it is seriously straw grasping. The science of "hope" of you like.

It's not really that plausible that the rapid rise in cases are entirely due to imports.

But they're desperate not to have to start imposing restrictions again as they fear the backlash from a public who largely (incorrectly) believe that thanks to vaccines, we've already won.

It was always going to happen that the govt would say not before 21 June and people would hear on 21 June

You can't expect concrete decisions over a month ahead, that would be rash in the extreme, it can't have passed you by that a global pandemic is impossible to plan with certainty

@ThroughThickAndThin01

I want some clarity

Don’t be so stupid. It’s a pandemic.

Did you mean to be so rude?

Why call me stupid?

This is why they should've never given fixed dates, because people will believe it and be disappointed when the situation changes.

I sometimes hate how the country I live in (Germany) has kept us in limbo all winter, but at least they didn't 'promise' something everyone knew would be unlikely. No false promises, so no disappointments. When a new rule is introduced, we get a few days' notice.
Nurseries got told on a Friday to reopen the following Monday.
In my state, pubs and restaurants reopen on Friday. We got told 4 days ago. And so on.
They haven't said anything about what the next step is, only 'tentatively' looked at what else they could reopen in mid-June.

I was shocked when back in February all my UK friends were so sure masks and social distancing would magically disappear on the 21st of June. Things change so quickly, you can't promise something 4 months in advance.

@UserAtRandom

I'm sorry that your teens are suffering, but I'm not actually sure why further easing of restrictions will make significantly more difference to them? Schools are open; they can socialise with friends including eating out with them; they can even go to each others' houses now! Children's activities are allowed to be open. They are young enough that this is really really unlikely to affect their GCSEs.

The concern I have is if they close schools again. Some kids thrive with online learning. DD really doesn't. The teachers did their best but once they logged off after 15 minutes set up, it was hard to speak to them over email before the next lesson went live. And DD didn't like asking during a live lesson due to being embarrassed. We knew they'd got behind but the report was a shock, considering before Easter we had online parents evening and they said they were doing well. No hint of the report and predicted grades or gaps in knowledge or the poor attitude to learning grades either. That really upset them as they said they had displayed good attitude. I tried to ask why the report differed but got really vague responses.

18-23 people in hospital in a town like Bolton is not a rate!!

You could get that many in hospital from a huge pileup on the motorway!!

@EileenGC

This is why they should've never given fixed dates, because people will believe it and be disappointed when the situation changes.

I sometimes hate how the country I live in (Germany) has kept us in limbo all winter, but at least they didn't 'promise' something everyone knew would be unlikely. No false promises, so no disappointments. When a new rule is introduced, we get a few days' notice.
Nurseries got told on a Friday to reopen the following Monday.
In my state, pubs and restaurants reopen on Friday. We got told 4 days ago. And so on.
They haven't said anything about what the next step is, only 'tentatively' looked at what else they could reopen in mid-June.

I was shocked when back in February all my UK friends were so sure masks and social distancing would magically disappear on the 21st of June. Things change so quickly, you can't promise something 4 months in advance.

But what's changed? Numbers are low across deaths and hospital admissions. That was fine before. Why not now? Why were we never told transmission? One minute they admit Covid zero won't happen. Hancock I think said a few weeks back it is like flu in winter now as whilst some deaths are sadly inevitable and people will have flu and get over it, we don't lockdown. Deaths from flu and pneumonia are higher now. Excess deaths are non-existent.

If this monotonous crap continues, we won't have money for anything.

@Gymsmile21

18-23 people in hospital in a town like Bolton is not a rate!!

You could get that many in hospital from a huge pileup on the motorway!!

Exactly

And if as suggested those are people who refused a vaccine, then that was their risk to take

Another thing Adil Ray asked- where does personal responsibility take over from government control? Surely that's the point we are at?

If people don't take the vaccine, why should we all stay home, be socially isolated and risk what jobs and homes and education our children have left because of a minority of people?

If people prefer to listen to conspiracy theories then that's their decision. It shouldn't impact on the rest of our lives or our well being.

@EileenGC

This is why they should've never given fixed dates, because people will believe it and be disappointed when the situation changes.

I sometimes hate how the country I live in (Germany) has kept us in limbo all winter, but at least they didn't 'promise' something everyone knew would be unlikely. No false promises, so no disappointments. When a new rule is introduced, we get a few days' notice.
Nurseries got told on a Friday to reopen the following Monday.
In my state, pubs and restaurants reopen on Friday. We got told 4 days ago. And so on.
They haven't said anything about what the next step is, only 'tentatively' looked at what else they could reopen in mid-June.

I was shocked when back in February all my UK friends were so sure masks and social distancing would magically disappear on the 21st of June. Things change so quickly, you can't promise something 4 months in advance.

They didn't give fixed dates, that's the whole point. It was always contingent on the virus situation.

If your friends where relying on masks being gone by 21 June that's on them for not understanding basic English. Every single date was a not before date subject to ongoing review.

@Tiktokersmiracle I agree with you on that one, and this is also a result of the 'Covid above all' narrative that has dominated the last 15 months. Covid has been massively overplayed at times and making such a huge step forward now in regaining normality would be seen as dangerous. It's so much more complicated than it seems. I wish 21st of June would happen. I know it won't, at least not as promised. I'm in the arts industry and I know for a fact that theaters in the UK aren't selling full shows come the 22nd of June. They will operate at 50% capacity over the summer. That is not going back to normal.

It was never guaranteed to be 21st June or was it and I missed it? It was always at the very earliest that is when they might lift the final restrictions but they have to get all the data they can and be sure so that we aren't plunged into a stricter lockdown again. I'd happily keep things as they are for a couple of extra weeks than have to go back to absolutely everything shut and home schooling again.

They didn't give fixed dates, that's the whole point. It was always contingent on the virus situation.

If your friends where relying on masks being gone by 21 June that's on them for not understanding basic English. Every single date was a not before date subject to ongoing review.

You only have to read threads on here to see how it was painted as the magic date on which Covid will end. I agree, anyone with half a brain should have understood the date could be pushed back if certain conditions weren't met. Like the government announcing green list countries and people not realising those countries also have their own entry requirements...

I'm trying to see it from the perspective of the disappointed ones, I know very well there is no magic date on which this will end.

June 21 is still a significant date it’s when four weeks data is analysed for a week.

How much change depends on the conditions being met.

So it’s worth looking to as important.

@Tiktokersmiracle you’re trotting out the same lines that have been thoroughly answered over and over again. If you can’t see the point of anything at this stage you’re never going to.

Your DC aren’t going to magically be unaffected by the past year even if everything is fine and June goes ahead as planned.

They, just like most people, have experienced a massive upheaval in their lives and need to deal with the effects of that and address the aspects of your worldview it has brought to the surface that your struggling with.

Concentrate on what is in your power to control and don’t rely on sources that, right now, just aren’t. If your struggling to do that maybe you need to learn how to deal with it together and look at methods of coping with change and resliance. You’ll be doing your dc a massive favour if you can all come out the other side of this stronger and more equipt at adapting to an uncontrollable change in circumstance.

I don’t see the point in trying to make people feel bad about any of this.

It’s tough no matter

@EileenGC

They didn't give fixed dates, that's the whole point. It was always contingent on the virus situation.

If your friends where relying on masks being gone by 21 June that's on them for not understanding basic English. Every single date was a not before date subject to ongoing review.

You only have to read threads on here to see how it was painted as the magic date on which Covid will end. I agree, anyone with half a brain should have understood the date could be pushed back if certain conditions weren't met. Like the government announcing green list countries and people not realising those countries also have their own entry requirements...

I'm trying to see it from the perspective of the disappointed ones, I know very well there is no magic date on which this will end.

Excuse me? Half a brain? So I'm thick now?

It wasn't a stretch to think 21st June would happen, even still with some distancing and masks on public transport or in places where distance was an issue. Not when every other step on the road map, from 8th March onwards right up to Monday, happened on that date.

Why go ahead with Monday then?

We won't hit Covid zero so what do you suggest? Sit indoors forever. Say goodbye to parties? Pubs? Theatre? Clubs? Because a minority think they know better on vaccines?

Australia has today announced a huge breakthrough in a gene silencing drug that kills 99% of virus in the lungs if you catch it.

There are antivirals and drugs available that work to get rid of most illness. 4 vaccines.

All I see is they need to get those coaches like in Bolton into every town asap and those who want the jab go queue up. If they can get it done there- 4000 Saturday and I think it was suggested 6000 Sunday, it shows most people will even queue up for it for hours in all weathers. Use that and get it done. Especially the Johnson and Johnson one shot. Sort out secondary pupils before the summer holidays.

I think some on here are relishing staying in.

They don’t know for sure.

Just DEMANDING information like this is ridiculous OP. Uncertainty is bad for everyone. They only do it because, well, things are genuinely uncertain.

Perhaps you can lend him your crystal ball and he can share with everybody!

I wish that Mr Johnson would just name a date when an update will be provided, and in the mean time get on with the job, not just PR visits.

There is the Northern Ireland protocol, the planned government legislation, and changing Wilfred's nappies to be getting on with. Regardless of my opinion of policies, I do not want a part-time Prime Minister and one who does do an amount of detail.

Boris Johnson has finally learnt from the previous year to stop overpromising

Remember all those times he idiotically promised everything would be back to normal by a certain timepoint only to be proved wrong?

He can't promise because he doesn't know. There isn't enough data on the indian variant to understand if it's going to substantially alter the trajectory of transmission in the UK despite the vaccination programme.

[quote Cornettoninja]@Tiktokersmiracle you’re trotting out the same lines that have been thoroughly answered over and over again. If you can’t see the point of anything at this stage you’re never going to.

Your DC aren’t going to magically be unaffected by the past year even if everything is fine and June goes ahead as planned.

They, just like most people, have experienced a massive upheaval in their lives and need to deal with the effects of that and address the aspects of your worldview it has brought to the surface that your struggling with.

Concentrate on what is in your power to control and don’t rely on sources that, right now, just aren’t. If your struggling to do that maybe you need to learn how to deal with it together and look at methods of coping with change and resliance. You’ll be doing your dc a massive favour if you can all come out the other side of this stronger and more equipt at adapting to an uncontrollable change in circumstance.[/quote]
So now you are slagging off my children are not being resilient?

Don't you see that if we lockdown again and schools shut, of course it will prolong them getting back on track. The uncertainty is terrible. And it's even worse now because they've been back at school since March, they've started to get used to being with friends at least at school, for that to disappear again.

I have had my limit. As I say, there's not many people who can honestly say they've literally not broken a single guideline. I now am left wondering why I bothered.

I've not told my DCs how I feel. I've tried to keep positive. But DD heard at school today that it looks like we are going back to lockdown and came home upset.

I'm sick of hearing that the ignorance and stupidity of Boris and anti-vaxx morons has caused this again. It's like a merry go round we can't escape from.