Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

[Tiktokersmiracle]

Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

Because a funeral is a shit thing to happen. People need support. Weddings are (usually)fun. I personally would argue if it was wedding where one party had a terminal diagnosis this should be allowed the same limits as a funeral.

Have you spoke to the school about the report? The grades you mention are surely the GCSE grades they will be working towards for the end of Year 11 (still 2 years away) and a grade 4 would be a passing grade so surely grade 3 two years early is actually not that bad? Have you asked them what grade would be the expectation for a year 9? Maybe they are actually on track?

@ThatIsMyPotato

It's not hard people, why are you not getting it?

I get it. They are following the science this time I hope.

They're not following the science.

SAGE told the cabinet that opening up on Monday would make things worse and asked for two weeks to assess the data.

Boris Johnson ignored that and opened up.

Three of the four tests were failed.

He opened up anyway.

It must be really weird being in a Bolton and Blackburn at the epicentre of the next wave, being asked to come and get vaccinated urgently but also things are opening up.

Your point about funerals really incenses me actually, it's so entitled. They're not comparable, you can't reasonably postpone a funeral. Some of us have actually suffered in this pandemic and you're whinging about not being about to have a huge party at the very moment you want it. Give your head a wobble.

@EileenGC

So this is not about the 21st of June or Boris, this is about your wedding. I understand your frustration but no, weddings are not the only affected industry. I won't even get started on how appallingly the arts industry has been treated throughout this.

You will always have the choice to move the date again. I've lost count of how many special events and personal and professional milestones I've missed. Milestones I will not be able to reschedule. It's crap for everyone. The government trying to guess how the situation in 4 weeks will look, and telling you now so you can plan/reorganise your wedding, is not the solution sadly. Because then things will change again and you'll be even angrier.

No sorry it's not as simple as moving the date again Last time I moved it, I got why This time it's down to nothing more than abject stupidity because a minority decide to forgo a vaccine. Or go to a county they fully saw had massive issues with the virus and they ignored that and went back to work, school and outdoors instead of a period of quarantine. And Boris let them.

If people get ill because they thought they knew better than scientists who developed a vaccine used successfully and applauded, then that's on them

Three of the four tests were failed.

Is this you interpreting what you read / hear etc or officially stated?

@ensete

You organised a wedding less than a week after the earliest possible unlocking of SD and number restrictions- are you seriously flawed by this?

I've got a number of friends getting married in the coming months who are saying similar things to you OP and I'm genuinely incredulous anyone reasonably educated can be so naive. Whatever your thoughts on this, it is a pandemic and it's not black and white.

It's a wedding, it can be moved at no real detriment. I think you need some perspective.

For your information, we rebooked it last year on that date as the date is significant in our relationship. Hugely.

I also thought that perhaps people would use the brains they supposedly possess to get vaccinated and not naff off on a jolly to a country who decided to totally ignore restrictions that everyone else put in place then wonder why the bodies are piling up
India's government are apparently complicit in lying about their numbers throughout the entirety of last year. They sent two dignitaries over for the G7 and kept totally schtum on how bad this were out there.

Frankly there are certain places I firmly believe we should consider as dangerous after we get back to normal. They've proved they can't be trusted to be transparent.

@Tiktokersmiracle I'm sorry about your wedding - I can see why last year you felt pretty confident that June this year would be OK. But you are very wrong about funerals.

I really have no respect for Johnson, he's handled it terribly and his personality/approach are just so far from what you need in a crisis. He's a twerp.

But when you say this If it's fine in certain set ups, why is it not in others? In that situation, my church could hold a funeral for 100+ on June 25th. Yet my wedding with 80 people (and that's been cut from its 150 original numbers) can't? It's bullshit. Same building. Same virus. you are missing the point - it is about the entirety of the transmission risks on any given day - so weddings plus funerals is more risky across the whole country than just funerals. You have to view the whole country's risk, not each event in isolation.

If it's fine in certain set ups, why is it not in others? In that situation, my church could hold a funeral for 100+ on June 25th. Yet my wedding with 80 people (and that's been cut from its 150 original numbers) can't? It's bullshit. Same building. Same virus.

You are,m as many people have throughout the pandemic, thinking that 'all things that are a similar risk' should be allowed, rather than realising that, essentially, we have to pick a selection of things that are allowed that will add up to the total 'risk budget' available.

To pick which of the - very many - things that are of similar risk are selected within the risk budget is a balance that not everyone will be pleased with, but which in some way reflects the risk / benefit analysis of each.

So, for example, in March, schools opened BUT children's out of school sports clubs couldn't and nor were playdates or birthday parties allowed. Looked at from a pure 'risk' point of view, that's the wrong priorrity - an out of school football club, for example, is WAY less risky than a full day in school, and a birthday party of the same 30 children as are together in the classroom all day can be seen as no 'riskier' than the school day. however, using the risk / reward balance, and lloking at the total 'risk budget', only being in school was allowed. Despite their equivalent or lower risks, the clubs and parties weren't allowed, because the benefit of children being in school was seen as worth the huge chunk of the risk budget that it took up.

Same with weddings vs funerals. A funeral must be held within a specific timeframe, and is generally the only time a grieving family has to commemorate the departed. A wedding is not time critical, and a smaller one is as effective in 'being married' as a larger one. equally, the 'wedding day events - meal, dancing - could be seen as higher probable risk than any gathering after a funeral. The judgement is, therefore, that a larger funeral is better use of the current 'risk budget' than a larger wedding.

Have you lost anyone to this OP? All that is coming across from your posts is the deafening sound of you stamping your foot because you can’t have what you want, when you want it.

@ensete

Your point about funerals really incenses me actually, it's so entitled. They're not comparable, you can't reasonably postpone a funeral. Some of us have actually suffered in this pandemic and you're whinging about not being about to have a huge party at the very moment you want it. Give your head a wobble.

Where have I said funerals can or should be postponed? Why don't you learn to read a thread before you talk rubbish and misquote me

My point was if you can have as many as you like in a church for a funeral, why is the same church not allowed unrestricted weddings? There were more people in my church Sunday at 10am than I'm allowed potentially at my wedding. Those are mostly strangers who I can only hope are following rules. At my wedding, our guests are for the most part vaccinated. They've offered to do lateral flow testing the say before.

But no.

For your information, we rebooked it last year on that date as the date is significant in our relationship. Hugely you can still get married on that date so that's a positive.

@SymphonyofShadows

Have you lost anyone to this OP? All that is coming across from your posts is the deafening sound of you stamping your foot because you can’t have what you want, when you want it.

Yes I have known people, not family, who have passed away. When vaccines weren't available at the time. I know that those people would've had a vaccine had it been available.

I also know that every day, people pass away. It's the one inevitable from birth onwards.

And frankly, those who refuse the vaccine now should be treated the same as anyone who takes a risk they know could kill them. It should be marked as death by misadventure by the coroner.

My point was if you can have as many as you like in a church for a funeral, why is the same church not allowed unrestricted weddings?

Is your church service the only part of the day? Or is there also e.g. a meal or wedding reception? Your focus on the church is probably misplaced - it is not within the religious building that the issue is likely to lie, but within the other event venues that form part of the day.

@ThatIsMyPotato

For your information, we rebooked it last year on that date as the date is significant in our relationship. Hugely you can still get married on that date so that's a positive.

Not if numbers are restricted.

I refuse to pay as much as expected for a shit day.

They can't let you have your wedding with that many people because they would have to let everyone have their wedding with that many people and in response do something else like shut schools again or stop visits to nursing homes.

@Tiktokersmiracle

"For your information, we rebooked it last year on that date as the date is significant in our relationship. Hugely. "

Oh behave, we're in the middle of a pandemic and you think your significant date gives you a ball pass? I've given birth in lockdown, had to deal with mine and my daughters health issues with no NHS help during that terrifying first wave and I've lost loved ones I didn't get to say goodbye to, but yeah we're all sympathetic Boris can't commit to making a decision about your significant date weeks in advance...

I'm not sure whether it's a genuine question on the capacity at funerals VS weddings or whether you are genuinely not understanding that the two aren't on the same priority level. It's a wedding, it can be moved, it's not as important as a funeral. As you were.

I refuse to pay as much as expected for a shit day.

It won't be a shit day. You will be getting married, wearing your dress. Just fewer people in the church. You can still exchange vows. People earlier in the pandemic still had nice wedding days. Just with fewer people.

@cantkeepawayforever

My point was if you can have as many as you like in a church for a funeral, why is the same church not allowed unrestricted weddings?

Is your church service the only part of the day? Or is there also e.g. a meal or wedding reception? Your focus on the church is probably misplaced - it is not within the religious building that the issue is likely to lie, but within the other event venues that form part of the day.

Which is all well and good until you consider there's no restrictions in pubs or restaurants indoors or out now. So again, I could be in a pub with strangers. But a mere 15 for my reception.

It makes no sense.

None of this does.
We are literally screwing ourselves over to protect people who care so little about others they won't have a vaccine. So why on earth should I care about protecting them?

All this is doing is allowing the tin hat anti-vaxx brigade to shout what's the point of being vaccinated if we still won't get our freedoms back? In the US, Biden has allowed double vaccinated people to ditch masks and social distancing. Boris is playing into the conspiracy theorists hands by doing nothing of any merit for vaccinated people here.

My parents' community has lost many peope during the period of the pandemic. They have dealt with the restricted numbers at funerals in a calm and dignified way - people come out to line the streets to pay their respects. Of late, as access to the churchyard has been allowed, they have stood inside or outside the churchyard, socially distanced, depending on their nearness to the deceased.

I know other communities / families who have had to watch via video link.

If you want to have a large number of people witnessing your wedding, can you find a suitably safe way for them to do so?

I refuse to pay as much as expected for a shit day
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There you go. Less about the religious and legal significance of the wedding and more about missing out on a big party. I can't think my wedding would be anything less special as long as my husband was there!

@ThatIsMyPotato

I refuse to pay as much as expected for a shit day.

It won't be a shit day. You will be getting married, wearing your dress. Just fewer people in the church. You can still exchange vows. People earlier in the pandemic still had nice wedding days. Just with fewer people.

Well sorry but that's not what I want, a slapdash crap settled for day. I've waited years for it and planned it to the nth degree. My church doesn't offer packages, it's £700 whether you have the full nine yards and a church full for an hour, or 30 minutes consolation prize.

Just rearrange for the same date next year, if you want a large party.

Two of the most happily married people I know were married with two wintesses off the street. IIRC, we didn't have all that many more than 30 at our wedding - and apart from my immediate family and DH, I didn't really notice or care.

I'm sorry for all the work and care and hope that you will have put into your plans. But you now have a choice - rejoice that you are allowed a wedding with some guests and enjoy it, or postpone again.

[quote ensete]@Tiktokersmiracle

"For your information, we rebooked it last year on that date as the date is significant in our relationship. Hugely. "

Oh behave, we're in the middle of a pandemic and you think your significant date gives you a ball pass? I've given birth in lockdown, had to deal with mine and my daughters health issues with no NHS help during that terrifying first wave and I've lost loved ones I didn't get to say goodbye to, but yeah we're all sympathetic Boris can't commit to making a decision about your significant date weeks in advance...

I'm not sure whether it's a genuine question on the capacity at funerals VS weddings or whether you are genuinely not understanding that the two aren't on the same priority level. It's a wedding, it can be moved, it's not as important as a funeral. As you were. [/quote]
Another person who didn't read the thread.

I've said that if funerals happen in a building with unlimited numbers, and can be kept safe, why can't weddings?

Christ, is that hard to grasp?

I get images of people thinking that Covid is lurking round corners, waiting to pounce then backs away when it sees a funeral.

And I also have a child with health issues and we were offered sweet FA during lockdown as well. So no, you aren't alone in being pissed off about that.
I still think we need to learn to live with it or there will definitely be no help for people with kids like ours, or anyone else. The NHS won't exist if there is no public money to fund it.

It is, obviously, very difficult when you have planned your marriage to be 'an event', rather than 'a way of becoming married'.

Your best option will be to postpone, given the way that you are feeling about it.