Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

[Tiktokersmiracle]

Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

Australia has today announced a huge breakthrough in a gene silencing drug that kills 99% of virus in the lungs if you catch it

Is that the one that might be available in 2023 if all the trials go well? It’s not really a consideration for policy today is it?

I didn't call you thick. Did you really believe a government official announcing a date on which normality would return? That's my question.

Your wedding is on the 26th of June. As far as I'm aware, weddings are happening already. An old colleague from university got married on Saturday, he had guests in the church.

I definitely do not suggest sitting indoors forever. I met with 10 people a couple of days, completely unprotected and none of us have been vaccinated either. I'm not scared of the virus, I cannot wait for normality to return. I just can't hope a prime minister, of any country, will be able to give us normality back. It's a process. It will happen gradually. Not on a random date they announced MONTHS ago. If they'd said it today, I'd be more inclined to believe it.

They had absolutely no idea how June would look like, back in February. Same as in November 2019, we didn't know this virus would be spreading at dangerous speed across Europe 4 months later.

a couple of days ago*

I think there will be restrictions. Simply because we're not finished with the vaccine programme yet. Once everyone has had their injections and we can keep it away by topping up with boosters it will be a much more normal life. But so many people haven't even had their first yet, never mind their second.

But DD heard at school today that it looks like we are going back to lockdown

No, it doesn't. That's inaccurate information.

Makes no difference to me I'm carrying on as normal as much as I can.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Boris Johnson has finally learnt from the previous year to stop overpromising

Remember all those times he idiotically promised everything would be back to normal by a certain timepoint only to be proved wrong?

He can't promise because he doesn't know. There isn't enough data on the indian variant to understand if it's going to substantially alter the trajectory of transmission in the UK despite the vaccination programme.

But yet a doctor on the ground in India confirmed on BBC news just before Boris' press conference on Friday that in India those hit severely were unvaccinated. And those who had been vaccinated but caught it, were not seriously impacted and had mild symptoms.

Thus showing the vaccine does exactly as it should. Exactly as all vaccines are tasked with.

No one is expecting a magic cure. I know even in a fortnight when I should confidently say I'm now double vaccinated, I can still catch it.

It's how severe it is. And in this case, not very.

So now you are slagging off my children are not being resilient

Clearly not but if that’s how you want to take it so you can carry on wallowing in the personal injustice of it all instead then crack on.

Your dc will take their lead from you so you can either be a victim of circumstance or a survivor of adversity. I know where I’m spending my energy.

But the restrictions easy are only confirmed the week before , they have each time March , April and May then they see how it goes . I think nod it’s better than it’s been in a long time . Where I live you’ve not been able to sit inside and just have a drink since September and not able to mix household since either . To demand what’s going to happen is a bit premature who knows .

@EileenGC

I didn't call you thick. Did you really believe a government official announcing a date on which normality would return? That's my question.

Your wedding is on the 26th of June. As far as I'm aware, weddings are happening already. An old colleague from university got married on Saturday, he had guests in the church.

I definitely do not suggest sitting indoors forever. I met with 10 people a couple of days, completely unprotected and none of us have been vaccinated either. I'm not scared of the virus, I cannot wait for normality to return. I just can't hope a prime minister, of any country, will be able to give us normality back. It's a process. It will happen gradually. Not on a random date they announced MONTHS ago. If they'd said it today, I'd be more inclined to believe it.

They had absolutely no idea how June would look like, back in February. Same as in November 2019, we didn't know this virus would be spreading at dangerous speed across Europe 4 months later.

Well I have far more friends and family than the paltry 30 currently allowed.

Another ridiculous situation, funerals now can have as many as they like. So are we assuming that Covid pops its head round a door of a church and bases whether it strikes based on whether it's a funeral or a wedding then?

We've had the Brits (4000). We've had a concert. We've had a rave. We've had football. And snooker. All with huge crowds.

Sorry but actually, weddings and the wedding industry has been treated like shit. Same for nightclubs. Most things are allowed back to semi normal except weddings.

I know Mr Johnson takes a dim view of marriage but the rest of us don't.

It wasn't a stretch to think 21st June would happen, even still with some distancing and masks on public transport or in places where distance was an issue. Not when every other step on the road map, from 8th March onwards right up to Monday, happened on that date

That's totally illogical though, each dates isn't/wasn't dependent on the previous one it's dependent on what happens after the one before.

It would be nonsense to say that because it was OK to lift the restrictions on 17 May it will be fine to do the same on 21 June. It sounds like you don't understand how the process is structured.

@Tiktokersmiracle - a funeral can only be held within a specific interval following a death and is a very difficult event to miss for those who love someone. Your wedding is important to you and your DP, plus your very closest family, but surely you can recognise it isn't as important to everyone else. You can focus on the vows then hold a big party at another time, there is really not the same urgency. I have sympathy that you're disappointed, but perspective is very important.

What I find most bizarre is that anyone actually believed we'd be lifting restrictions completely on 21st June.

It was an arbitrary date, thrown out by the government to keep us relatively optimistic and cheerful, and so we'd accept the rest of the winter in a stricter lockdown.

I know even in a fortnight when I should confidently say I'm now double vaccinated, I can still catch it.

But what? As long as you're OK, there's no problem??

Well I have far more friends and family than the paltry 30 currently allowed. 30 is way more than people were allowed to have earlier on in the pandemic. Could you try reframing it in your head to being lucky you can have 30?

How are we going from 21st June being delayed and going back in to lockdown?

Just because we might not move to the next stage doesn't mean we are going back in to lockdown.

And with the funeral/wedding thing as someone who has buried a family member and planned a wedding during lockdown I can assure you that having people are a funeral are more important than a wedding. I would have given my right arm to have a proper funeral and support network during that time, much more than I would rather have 50 at my wedding!

@nomorecrumbs

What I find most bizarre is that anyone actually believed we'd be lifting restrictions completely on 21st June.

It was an arbitrary date, thrown out by the government to keep us relatively optimistic and cheerful, and so we'd accept the rest of the winter in a stricter lockdown.

It’s not that arbitrary.

It’s every five weeks assessment

He can't definitely say either way as it depends on how well controlled hospital admissions are.

So this is not about the 21st of June or Boris, this is about your wedding. I understand your frustration but no, weddings are not the only affected industry. I won't even get started on how appallingly the arts industry has been treated throughout this.

You will always have the choice to move the date again. I've lost count of how many special events and personal and professional milestones I've missed. Milestones I will not be able to reschedule. It's crap for everyone. The government trying to guess how the situation in 4 weeks will look, and telling you now so you can plan/reorganise your wedding, is not the solution sadly. Because then things will change again and you'll be even angrier.

Another ridiculous situation, funerals now can have as many as they like. funerals are important for the grieving process and are for people to say goodbye. Weddings can be done with very limited numbers and you would still be married even if you just had 2 witnesses.

@nomorecrumbs

What I find most bizarre is that anyone actually believed we'd be lifting restrictions completely on 21st June.

It was an arbitrary date, thrown out by the government to keep us relatively optimistic and cheerful, and so we'd accept the rest of the winter in a stricter lockdown.

It's not arbitrary, clearly you don't understand the process

This thread is getting really frustrating, I'm no way a Boris Johnson fan but I don't really see how it could have been made clearer that there was a plan for restrictions with 5 week steps dependent on a review of the situation each time.

It's not hard people, why are you not getting it?

Belle I hear you ;

It's not hard people, why are you not getting it?

I get it. They are following the science this time I hope.

[quote MRex]@Tiktokersmiracle - a funeral can only be held within a specific interval following a death and is a very difficult event to miss for those who love someone. Your wedding is important to you and your DP, plus your very closest family, but surely you can recognise it isn't as important to everyone else. You can focus on the vows then hold a big party at another time, there is really not the same urgency. I have sympathy that you're disappointed, but perspective is very important.[/quote]
No I'm not spending a tonne of money on something that will be shit

And whilst I sympathize about the reason for a funeral, surely you see my point on Covid being intelligent enough apparently to not strike at one?

If it's fine in certain set ups, why is it not in others? In that situation, my church could hold a funeral for 100+ on June 25th. Yet my wedding with 80 people (and that's been cut from its 150 original numbers) can't? It's bullshit. Same building. Same virus.

You organised a wedding less than a week after the earliest possible unlocking of SD and number restrictions- are you seriously flawed by this?

I've got a number of friends getting married in the coming months who are saying similar things to you OP and I'm genuinely incredulous anyone reasonably educated can be so naive. Whatever your thoughts on this, it is a pandemic and it's not black and white.

It's a wedding, it can be moved at no real detriment. I think you need some perspective.