Anyone Else Wish Boris Would Just Tell Us if 21st June is Screwed

[Tiktokersmiracle]

Honestly

They know more than they tell us

This morning, someone on here posted a link to see how many Indian Variant cases were in your town, it said 0 for my town. Suddenly this evening, MSM is saying 5 cases since April 21st

I agree wholeheartedly with Adil Ray on GMB this morning- 4 MPs, 2 days, and all 4 said something different.

I want some clarity. We deserve clarity.

I've not broken even the tiniest of rules. I've had both vaccines. I'm so sick of this now.

And I'm so sick of the constant goalpost moving- originally, they said they expected the vaccines to limit deaths and severe illness. No mention of "completely". No mention of transmission.

Now suddenly they expect it to stop all deaths, all severe illness, and transmission too!

When you have a flu jab you are told it may not protect you from 100% of illness so don't take risks. At no point do they tell you you are fully protected.

Same as when I had my first dose of Pfizer in February- don't think this gets you home and dry, don't ignore the guidance, it's only your first dose.

I know it takes a fortnight from the weekend for my second dose to kick in too.

I had to postpone my wedding last June and I totally understood why. Even then, the vaccine was this golden goose that was going to get us all on the train to quote Jonathan Van Tamm. First it was "near the tunnel," then "it's arrived at the station but you can't jump on yet."

So why, when so many have done the right thing, signed up and had their dose or doses. Why oh why, based on transmission of an illness I was under the impression that in April we had reached herd immunity from, are they suggesting it's all been for nothing?

When do we say, enough is enough?

Why does Boris think it's acceptable to say "next week" he will say yes or no to 21st June?

My wedding is 26th June. I thought, like a fool last year, it would be fine

Yet now, I'm not sleeping, I'm anxious, and I can't get excited because I did that in April and now because of Boris' ineptitude and something like a small number of people saying no to vaccines, we will be practically back to square one. Why should the rest of us sit in this constant state of flux because of them?

If they know the risks, then that's up to them.

We do have to live amongst it
The numbers are way down today again
Deaths are miniscule.

Enough already!

Stop prolonging the agony and tell us, not make us hang on in the manner of a fucking cliffhanger.

Surely we have a right to that?

To be honest if your children are in that much of a state I would suggest that there were problems before the pandemic. And basically writing them off because of Covid is doing no one any favours. You need to be buoying them up. Helping them with their studies, pushing for extra support, talking about how we are all in this together and yes, it’s shit but it’s shit for everyone and we will get through it and come back stronger. Maybe they are picking up on your defeatist attitude.

And let’s get the wedding into perspective. It’s shit if it has to be postponed but as I wave my father in to hospital tomorrow to have an 8 hour operation to have his cancerous bowel removed with only a 2 week hospital stay completely alone to look forward, I do think that you should have a

Boris is starting to backpedal. They'll allow venues to stay open but will start to advise a 'cautious, common sense' approach which really means 'please don't go into these places and don't travel. This approach neatly sets up the public to be blamed for the spread of the new variant. The press reinforce this by blaming the public and unvaccinated people.

@LynetteScavo

So they now feel like they're on the scrapheap. They got a U in maths. Nothing above a 3 for everything else.

They're in Y9 so they have two years before taking GCSEs- so far from being in the scrap heap

I have a Y11 DD so am struggling to see why 3s in Y9 means being on the scrap heap.

Same here - year 11 DS. Honestly, you need to dial back the drama here. It can’t be helping your DD.

Also, show a bit of empathy for posters who have lost loved ones and livelihoods during the pandemic.

My then new born ( and 3 year old) not being able to see her father for the first 3 months Inc Xmas) of her life as he was in hospital with Covid is cruel, having to put off a wedding is not.

It was always said that june 21st was the earliest date
They can't say for sure yet as depends on how this variant spreads and how effective vaccines are and how quickly we can vaccine more people

Also Op lots are struggling but what was the alternative , if cases rise do you want more opening no matter what?
I have a year 11 and 13 child and its been shit for them to , but it is what it is unfortunately and I try and just be positive around them, although in general mine have taken it quite well and accepted each stage so maybe I am lucky
But both will likely get grades below their potential

@EileenGC but he never gave fixed dates , he said these would be earliest dates and all based on data , people needed to listen and newspapers report properly here

Op your being really defensive when anyone disagrees with you
You can't post on here and expect everyone to agree
Yes rates and deaths are down now but as we have a new variant which potentially could change that , that is why we have a wait and see
Its weeks between the stages for a reason
And june 21st may see no change , or we may see some restrictions lifted and others kept, there is no way of knowing for sure just yet

On the one hand, I completely understand your frustration, anxiety and lack of excitement. It must be awful trying to organise a wedding in these circumstances. And I can't imagine how demoralising it must be having to face the prospect of postponing it for the second time.

On the other hand, although I agree we all deserve some clarity, I think it's wiser to accept that we are not going to get it.

I don't believe the scientists know more than they are admitting either; I just don't think they know enough yet. The data is new and confusing. There are a few aberrant cases clouding the overall picture. They need more information. And that needs time.

I detest Boris and his ramshackle methods but I don't think he gains any political capital from dithering; he'd far rather be the popular guy and announce a wholesale relaxation of restrictions. But the government need to be responsible about the Indian variant as it is more transmissible than previous variants. And again, this is not about protecting the majority of the population, it never was, it's about preventing the NHS from potentially being overwhelmed again.

Believe me, I have teens too, and we are not relishing any of it.

People generally find uncertainty very hard to handle. They want dates and black and white facts. And the government panders to this need. They would be far better off doing what other European countries have done, and hoped for the best but promised nothing. The downside of that is that small business owners and schools etc have had very little time to prepare for their return to normality.

SunshingingBetty I really hope your Dad’s op goes well. My Dad had a section of bowel removed about 15 years ago as had cancerous polyps. Am seeing him today for the first time in nearly 18 months, will be thinking of you and your Dad.

OP I’m sorry you are upset. It is a shit time. In your shoes I’d either go ahead on the basis that things won’t be much different on 21 June or try again next summer around the middle of the school holidays.

Tough on your DC but luckily only year 9 so lots of time before GCSE to claw things back as really early days in terms of GCSE performance .

@Brindisi32

Boris is starting to backpedal. They'll allow venues to stay open but will start to advise a 'cautious, common sense' approach which really means 'please don't go into these places and don't travel. This approach neatly sets up the public to be blamed for the spread of the new variant. The press reinforce this by blaming the public and unvaccinated people.

Boris really needs to act more decisively and set clear guidelines and rules in order to keep the virus at bay. He seems incapable of doing anything before things run out of control.
I have just seen that Singapore have found a local rise of 24 cases and are entering a 4 week lockdown for the first time in over a year. We, apparently, are going to let the cases rise to high levels before anything is done about it... again.

It’s shit, utterly shit, especially for children. But if you dare to suggest this on here, you’ll be jumped on!

Johnson is doing what he said he'd do.

Restrictions are being eased in stages, each time waiting for enough time to see the effects before deciding whether to unlock a bit more or stay the same.

No matter how much you want clarity you won't get it because It's only been 2 days and there's no information about the effects yet. It would be irresponsible for a decision to be made now.

@MarinPrime

Johnson is doing what he said he'd do.

Restrictions are being eased in stages, each time waiting for enough time to see the effects before deciding whether to unlock a bit more or stay the same.

No matter how much you want clarity you won't get it because It's only been 2 days and there's no information about the effects yet. It would be irresponsible for a decision to be made now.

Apart from not responding to changing data, he said data not dates.

Johnson never means what he says. If his mouth is moving, he is lying.

[quote LadyPenelope68]@Tiktokersmiracle

I want some clarity
It’s a pandemic, nobody can give clarity for goodness sake.

Your children are Year 8/9, they are not on the Scrapheap just because they’ve got U’s in maths at this stage. What planet are you on? The ones that will suffer are those that should have been taking their GCSE/A Levels etc in the midst of this pandemic, not in 2/3 years time

The importance of getting married is not to have a big party, the important part is actually the marriage itself and the vows. You can still get married, you can still have the part that matters. You sound like a silky child who can’t get their own way and have a big party.

Perhaps you should re-read your posts abs think about how pathetic you actually sound. People have lost loved ones, lost their lives (some leaving young children without their parents), have lost their jobs (and homes as a result) or are suffering long Covid/mental health issues and you are moaning and whinging about a big wedding and your children’s exams in 2/3 years.

This has to be one of the most pathetic and self-centered posts I’ve seen in a while.[/quote]
Another poster who couldn't rtft

I did not say my DC's are on the scrapheap

There, that clear enough for you?

How dare you suggest I would!

I said, if you'd had the decency to read before you joined the pile on of abuse, my DD has voiced she feels like she is on the scrapheap

Christ

Some of you need an eye test

I have tried, very hard, to keep my DCs safe and happy and supported. I would imagine getting the grades DD has is a kick to the guts for them. You have no right, none of you, whatsoever, as adults to comment on how they feel. You are adults. You can process this bullshit. They are 14! Show me any child who doesn't see this as a gigantic head fuck.

It's not about resilience. It's about being let down hugely. Being told to go from a classroom environment to online. Having very little teacher student support bar over email.

I don't for one moment blame teachers. Our school has done it's best.

This is down to Boris. It's down to morons who wouldn't follow rules. It down to certain countries lying about cases.

I didn't vote in Boris. I hate the man and his equally shitty party

Don't you dare tell me I would ever tell my kids their education is over and they will amount to nothing as that is utterly scummy and not what I said at any stage.

@Tiktokersmiracle

How is this Boris's fault? He's done well with the roadmap and the vaccines.

I'm not sure what another leader would have done differently. I will await the report and see.

Yeah it's bad for the kids. I think some of them have enjoyed online learning as they don't have all the playtime issues of bullying and feeling left out but some of them have really struggled.

@BlossomD It's frustrating seeing countries like Singapore and NZ act very quickly when they pick up cases of infection. We're still sending planes out to green and amber countries.

If anyone is interested, this map shows the current rates.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

You can see where cases are rising and falling. e.g Hampshire is rising but neighbouring Wiltshire is falling. Bolton seems to be rising rapidly.

If you click.zoom in further it gives you the number of cases in the last 7 days.

[quote User135644]@Tiktokersmiracle

How is this Boris's fault? He's done well with the roadmap and the vaccines.[/quote]
Where do we start?

Ignored COBRA meetings to go on holiday
Spent stupid amounts on a flat when so many are losing their jobs and made to feel scum for needing UC and food banks,
No living wage so we have the working poor, meaning many don't quarantine as they can't financially afford to
Teachers not vaccinated as a priority despite putting themselves at risk
1% payrise for nurses despite the poxy "clap"
Border not shut at any point allowing this in several times now
The hospitality industry is fucked
Ditto retail if not online/independent small business
No grants for many in the entertainment industry
Kids not allowed to restart a year group when they've literally been in school for a half term, give or take quarantine periods
Masks not being brought in
Eat out to (fucking spread it further to) Help Out
The G7 going ahead and two Indian dignitaries bringing the variant in
An untenable traffic light system that is open to abuse because he won't want to piss his rich mates off
PPE failures
Billions given out in contracts to his mates which never were fulfilled
Track and Trace a sham

Anything else?

They can't tell us now what will happen on the 21st June as they don't have the data as yet.

I'm still hopeful and I don't want decisions made too early based on incomplete data (and a frothing media).