Worried about coronavirus thread 24

[ofwarren]

Sorry everyone, I was watching that shambles of a press conference

I do feel like this 7 day isolation thing needs more clarity.

On the face of it, I do agree with them. If everyone with a cough/temp stays home for 7 days, it will clearly slow the spread, and that is no bad thing.

But they have to make it really clear when you need to stay home. Spell out for us what a "continuous" cough is!

And they need to explain how people should do this. If they envisage people not going out at all, then they need to spell this out explicitly.

If they are being vague about this, many people will carry on as normal and it won't work anyway.

I wonder if it will be as widely publicized as their hand washing messages?

Wondering how "new" is a "new" cough. If you've had a cough for a few weeks is that an "old" cough?

Pretty sure we'd notice if they got CV.

Probably, but the point I’m trying to make is that the panic about higher numbers appears unfounded to me because it actually would mean more of us have been exposed to it already

That’s preferable to panicking because there’s a reported case in your town isn’t it?

Figures will be hidden, thats obvious and very very scary.

I disagree, for what its worth, that Trump is doing right by his country.

If we really have 10,000 undetected cases, in the US that figure must be at least 2-10x that. It's too late to try and stop it getting into the country.

These are the sensible, level headed measures our government should be putting in place (from the Netherlands):

*Work from home as much as possible or spread your hours out.
*Events with more than 100 visitors are cancelled. This also applies to museums, theatres, sports competitions etc.
*If you have a cold or any other symptoms, stay home.
*If your symptoms get worse and you have a fever, call your GP.
*Universities are advised to put lectures online.
*MBO, primary and secondary schools will stay open.
*Children who are sick should stay home.
*Avoid large groups or visiting people with compromised immune systems and the elderly.
*For vulnerable people (elderly/ sick), avoid public transport.

www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/coronavirus-new-measures-announced

There would be little effect on the economy. The U.K.’s reaction is far too extreme on the “do nothing” end of things.

Shut the borders.
Quarantine anybody returning.

Oh well.

Leave the borders open.
No health checks.
Allow the infected to freely roam around.

Oh well

Go into lockdown.
Stay at home.
Don’t allow anyone in.

Oh well.

The governments first duty is to protect its citizens not kill them off.

Always though Trump was bad enough but even he is doing whats right by his country unlike our priminister.

Travel bans when the virus is already in the country and there's not enough testing, and underestimating how dangerous or deadly this is, while virtually calling it a hoax, is not doing right by his country.

@defthand I agree- all of that combined with the stay home if you have a cough/temperature would work pretty well.

How come Ireland is on lockdown yet we are not? Can anyone explain why, im confused as we have much higher numbers

The tories have been killing off the sick & disabled for 10 years via Austerity, I can't understand why any of you are surprised that they are quite happy to let it ravage the nation and ignore Who advice and do a minimal amount to combat it, to them letting it kill off a significant chunk of OAPs and the disabled/sick is a win win situation.

I guess it's different now that we are all being potentially sacrificed, rather than just the perceived burdens on society, the irony is astounding.

What I don't understand is that he said we are 4 weeks behind Italy and then in the next breath said we are 14 weeks away from the peak. Those number don't add up to me.

Has anyone died in, say, Italy who is not elderly or without pre-existing health conditions? I read that the average age of a victim is 81 with health conditions.

@Kuponut it’s not as clear as mud. It’s perfectly clear that yes you need to isolate. It’s 2 simple questions.

Do you have a new persistent cough?
Do you have a temperature

If so, then self isolate

FWIW, at least if you have kids you don't want to go to school, it will be easy enough to keep them home for the next 7 days. Just ring in tomorrow and say they have a temp of over 37.8 and you are keeping them home.

Then, you have got until next Friday to keep them off, following government advice. And then you can reassess the situation.

Because we are following the science and washing our hands wannabangbang

Exactly delicately he is intent on killing of his citizens.
I don't get why they called it breaking news, nothings changed in what he is doing.

How come Ireland is on lockdown yet we are not? Can anyone explain why, I'm confused as we have much higher numbers

Same reason lots of other countries are on lockdown and we're not. They're nothing to do with us. Scotland however..

@its2019ffs

Agreed. I think it’s going to hit a lot quicker than they think. Italy skyrocketed within 10 days. Spain, Germany, France look like they’re going the same way.

Let’s face it, they know a large portion of society will just see this as one big long jolly, which to some extent is true and could create a sense of apathy towards any further restrictions. This would only work if strong restrictions came with it on retail, leisure. They know their subjects well.

Having said that it does feel as though we have been abandoned and are literally going to be the last ones to turn off the lights. The vulnerable and elderly are at most risk right now.

If schools aren’t closing they need across the board guidelines putting in place that ensures maverick denier headteachers can not risk your children’s lives by doing the bare minimum if anything at all.

@its2019ffs Well, he's saying that Italy are nowhere near their peak. Unfortunately, I am quite concerned he might be right about that.

I was more reassured by the strategy overall.

Use the interventions that make the biggest impact at the right times to reduce the peak sounds sensible.

However, behavioural science isn’t actually science - it’s a social science and far less precise. People are complicated.

Key gaps from speeches and questions:
Will people actually do this (eg the 7 day quarantine)?

How will they know/track this?

What level of compliance have they assumed in their modelling? What will they do if there isn’t the level of compliance expected, given we are depending pretty heavily on these few key effective messages over a matter of weeks?

Has this type of intervention (asking people to stay at home 7days) actually been tested in real life vs on a spreadsheet?

Have they considered barriers to doing this for all types of people across the population in their assumptions? Eg financial, language, etc ie not everyone is a middle class Londoner but are they just assuming everyone has their outlook and cushioning?

It's airborne, washing hands will have little affect as most normal people were washing their hands before this lol

Today’s Italian figures are shocking. I actually gasped when I saw them. I have friends in Italy who are nurses. One of them messaged me today and said that it’s “fucking madness”.

Spain has reported 782 new cases of coronavirus and 31 new deaths so far today, raising the country's total to 3,059 cases and 86 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL
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