Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against Israel's war against Iran and Israelis protesting against Israel state police

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Two short videos showing Israelis protesting against the actions of the Israeli state, and Israelis protesting against Israel state police.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dJFfliqKQs

Exactly @Ihatetomatoes

Indeed democratic countries including flawed ones have people fir and against decisions made. So why the surprise at protesting in a democratic country, even a flawed one.

Shouldn't be a surprise at all.

Wars are always controversial and Israelis can protest without fear of their government murdering them for showing different opinions.

I would also like to send you some recent videos of ordinary Iranians protesting against the Iranian Government but unfortunately couldn't as the last time they did protest, 30,000 of them were killed so you can understand why they are a bit reticent to do it again.

Still you seem to have no problem with that, rather than to you the "unacceptable alternative" of actually agreeing with the Israeli and US attacks to weaken both the Iranian regime and their capability to wage terrorism across the Middle East.

This ^^^

As I said upthread, many commentators from Iran say that what you have said is propaganda, and one interview I saw today said that it was not 30000 (the UK government website does not say it was 30000 either but refer to a number of different figures from different sources) that is was 3117, and that the majority of the people killed were killed by the rioters who had firearms including police and innocent bystanders.

i personally don't support any killing by anyone, and I think what is going on is quite terrifying.

However, I do agree with you that personal safety is important, but it goes both ways. I went to a few MN threads such as one from January where there had been videos made by iranians in Iran who were saying that the problem had been the violence rioters, not the peaceful protesters, and they were showing support to their country against Israel and the US, but the videos are gone, not deleted by MN and not breaching any guidelines, but the accounts of the people who had made them have been closed, which almost certainly indicates that they were also in danger. And we know that, that there are groups who threaten and are violent to people who do not want Israeli and US intervention, or for Pahlavi to take over.

I was looking for the videos because someone upthread had asked to see some. @IrishSelkie please see above. The Guardian recently interviewed both "sides" of protesters in London, a few days ago, so if you look for that you will see iranians who say that anyone who supports Iran being bombed are "totally brainwashed" and say that the "30000 in two days" is not true and not possible.

What has been said at the UN by Iran is that they have been aware that they would be attacked since Iraq and that other countries should be aware that they will be next if Iran falls.

Anyone who remembers WMD and the whistleblowers around Gaddafi will at least consider whether or not they might have a point.

I don't know where you are in the world, but as the other poster has said, no most of us don't feel safer.

My Iranian friends will feel safer.

My Jewish friends will feel safer.

Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, funding, training and directing proxy terrorists and militias across the Middle East and sponsoring surveillance, intelligence and sleeper cells across the west.

The circles in which we move will have differing opinions. Not all Iranians in mine agree, but no one has the conviction that they will be safer as a result of this. There are no guarantees, and current events do not bode well.

Does ‘us all’ refer to our respective groups of friends? I was thinking about the people of Iran, Lebanon and Palestine. How can there be any credibility when this war is instrumented by a pair of self serving despots intent on the destruction of societies? One wanted for war crimes currently in the process of illegally occupying and ethnic cleansing its neighbour and the other with equally dubious objectives. How can there be any faith in this as a recipe for peace and security?

Regarding the people of Iran, Lebanon & Palestine, I don’t know how they can feel safe under the IRCG, Hamas & Hezbollah.

Jewish people certainly don’t feel safe.

The Middle East would be a safer place without those religious lunatics.

My god. Are we really at the stage where we are arguing about whether the world would be a safer place without the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Apparently so @SharonEllis

Sadly, we are at the stage where some believe that the world will be safer in the hands of Trump and Net, as they openly brag about the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent civilians.

Really? I don't know anyone personally who says that. I didn't say it either.

You have a small group of friends who will feel safer, possibly because you and they believe that a coup in Iran will take the world to the land of rainbows and unicorns. Whereas the Jewish people in the videos who are saying "no" have a better grasp of the realities. Edited to point out that only people who have no knowledge of the history of the region or of the different cultures in the region will believe the rainbows and unicorns - and this is what is being exploited here.

The only people who will benefit from the coup are the small power groups who have pushed for it from the background. They want a coup in Iran and then to take control steadily of the entire region. What you say about Iran is their narrative, not normal peoples' narrative.

I would like to see a 2 state solution allowing for a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, and I think protection of all people including the Jewish people is very important. But reaching a 2 state agreement will require Israel to stop thinking they can take land around them by force. Is that possible, SharonEllis?

i think before posting again you should watch the videos and find more and listen to what they are saying.

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I don't think torture and killing and breaches of human rights are acceptable anywhere, but there are diplomatic channels which should be used to address concerns, whether concerns about Iran, Israel, the UK, the US or anywhere else.

"religious lunatics" - is this sort of speech allowed here? Just because it isn't your religion? I think your post is appalling given that normal people in the region are being killed and having their lives ripped apart.

And to you too - what an appalling post given that men, women and children are being bombed in Iran at the moment. Reported.

Seems so. Bizarre.

I think given how clear it is who the aggressors are in this war many people are understandably questioning whether narratives that have been accepted as fact for decades are, in fact, subjective.

Reported for what exactly? The Islamic Republic has slaughtered 10s of 1000s of its own citizens and been behind the deaths of 1000s more around the world. No decent person thinks they are a force for good.

What diplomatic channels have stopped the Islamic Rwpublic oppressing its citizens, imprisoning them torturing them and murdering them over the decades and in vast numbers in the last few months? This is demonstrable nonsense.