Page 7 | How can anyone be proud to be anti Zionist

mids2019 · 2025-11-30T15:50:27+00:00

[[https://www.meforum.org/hitler-antizionism https://www.meforum.org/hitler-antizionism]] Hitler was an anti Zionist and instigated the most heinous genocide in world history. A genocide so systematic if caused the world to reflect on itself. Hamas are anti Zionist and produced the worst terrorist massacre per head in history. The September 11th attackers had an anti Zionist agenda. Iran is openly anti Zionist and was prepared to develop a nuclear weapon to reduce Israel to ashes. We now have Zara Sultana, an MP in this country now claiming to be an anti Zionist? How low can we go as far as racial hatred is concerned?Do these ideologues reflect on what they are actually saying?

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:14

Tilesarebad · 16/12/2025 10:43

There was no need or expectation to use Irish words at all though.

If you were to write a French word, you’d probably look it up to make sure you’d the proper spelling first, and that it meant what you thought it meant.

PP seemed to indicate that she was under the impression that Irish people would prefer Eire to Ireland.
I think it was just a mistake.

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Yes - it was a mistake . It would have been helpful if posters explained the significance of the error without assuming that the poster was ill intentioned.
Too many posters on here are using a mistake to try to paint someone as a bigot who was deliberately trying to cause offence.
Tbh - if it was meant to cause offence it was incredibly subtle and could only come from someone very well informed about Irish language and the use of the fada.
Im from an Irish background and I wouldn’t have noticed the lack of the fada or thought anything was wrong with writing Eire . The word is on my Irish passport .

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:18

SerendipityJane · 16/12/2025 10:54

Of course the fact that a discussion about Zionism managed to throw up the complicated situation of Northern Ireland, the UK and the Irish republic and it's various monikers is possibly the best comment on how complex things are when it comes to geography, culture and identity.

Especially relevant because a lot of people in Ireland - particularly Northern Ireland - are descendants of Protestants who were sent there to displace the native Catholics. And at that point I'll bow out, knowing only broad brush strokes.

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I agree completely about the complexity.
I just think that it’s unreasonable to assume everyone knows about the use of fada and is being insulting by omitting it. ( not you - other posters)
I’ve learnt something today and I find it more interesting than most ( probably because I have an Irish heritage)
I just haven’t enjoyed the overblown accusations.

SerendipityJane · 16/12/2025 11:23

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:18

I agree completely about the complexity.
I just think that it’s unreasonable to assume everyone knows about the use of fada and is being insulting by omitting it. ( not you - other posters)
I’ve learnt something today and I find it more interesting than most ( probably because I have an Irish heritage)
I just haven’t enjoyed the overblown accusations.

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There is never a day when you can't learn something.

Dagda · 16/12/2025 11:27

SerendipityJane · 16/12/2025 10:54

Of course the fact that a discussion about Zionism managed to throw up the complicated situation of Northern Ireland, the UK and the Irish republic and it's various monikers is possibly the best comment on how complex things are when it comes to geography, culture and identity.

Especially relevant because a lot of people in Ireland - particularly Northern Ireland - are descendants of Protestants who were sent there to displace the native Catholics. And at that point I'll bow out, knowing only broad brush strokes.

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Well that’s it exactly.

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:37

Dagda · 16/12/2025 11:27

Well that’s it exactly.

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Yes - but it doesn’t help to bring people together if you assume offence where none is intended .

Dagda · 16/12/2025 11:40

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:37

Yes - but it doesn’t help to bring people together if you assume offence where none is intended .

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I’m not offended. The reference is obsolete now. Too old to smart

For me it just demonstrates the posters mindset.

Tilesarebad · 16/12/2025 12:56

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:14

Yes - it was a mistake . It would have been helpful if posters explained the significance of the error without assuming that the poster was ill intentioned.
Too many posters on here are using a mistake to try to paint someone as a bigot who was deliberately trying to cause offence.
Tbh - if it was meant to cause offence it was incredibly subtle and could only come from someone very well informed about Irish language and the use of the fada.
Im from an Irish background and I wouldn’t have noticed the lack of the fada or thought anything was wrong with writing Eire . The word is on my Irish passport .

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I think we substantially agree but…
the word is not on your passport. Éire is, a completely different word.

And again, having said that, this is not primarily about the fada at all. Fadas are often omitted from names without much fuss as explained upthread, in Ireland too. It’s about the historical usage of the word in the UK and the intentions behind that usage.
I agree completely about not assuming ill-intent when someone uses it on MN.

Twiglets1 · 16/12/2025 16:01

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 11:37

Yes - but it doesn’t help to bring people together if you assume offence where none is intended .

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Exactly.

Better to keep things pleasant - the topics we discuss relating to CITME are controversial enough!

SerendipityJane · 16/12/2025 16:08

E2A: Wrong thread