How can anyone be proud to be anti Zionist

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https://www.meforum.org/hitler-antizionism

Hitler was an anti Zionist and instigated the most heinous genocide in world history. A genocide so systematic if caused the world to reflect on itself. Hamas are anti Zionist and produced the worst terrorist massacre per head in history. The September 11th attackers had an anti Zionist agenda. Iran is openly anti Zionist and was prepared to develop a nuclear weapon to reduce Israel to ashes.

We now have Zara Sultana, an MP in this country now claiming to be an anti Zionist? How low can we go as far as racial hatred is concerned?Do these ideologues reflect on what they are actually saying?

It wasn't meant to be addressed just to you. Apologies. I agree with the thread title and the OP.

And therein lies the spin.

Yes, Jews have always lived there, but not in the same numbers.

Please tell me the population percentages for the same groups you’ve mentioned, but in 1919, the year before the first Arab riot against increased Jewish immigration.

@SameOldHill you are welcome to look up the earlier statistics yourself. No spin at all. I am quoting present day reality. Let's get back to the OP shall we?

I am free to look them up, you’re right.

10% of the Palestinian population in 1919 was Jewish.

Although it’s convenient for you sweep the past under the carpet, can I ask you if you would expect any other population to accept such a massive increase in the immigrant population without their consent and without protest?

Interesting. The powerful get heard. Silence can speak volumes when you have power. It’s a choice. Voicelessness and silence are different. Silence can be borne from fear of the powerful which when the balance is tipped leads to voicelessness where there is no agency.

I think those non-Jews in Britain and the US just after the war who advocated for Zionism and Jewish refugees to be settled in the land that was called Palestine, have nothing to be proud about. It was a hypocritical stance.

Directly after the war these countries did not welcome Jewish refugees themselves. Sending them to Palestine was a way of deflecting from their own anti-semitism. Instead, they salved their consciences by passing the burden to another people, and stealing their land in the process to create the State of Israel. What’s more they would have known it would also be very problematic for the Jewish people too.

Neither Israelis or Palestinians will be going anywhere now though. Pray that one day that either a single, or two state solution can be found for both Palestinians and Israelis.

Directly after the war these countries did not welcome Jewish refugees themselves. @ScrollingLeaves

Trying to deter Jews from entering the UK started long before then. The 1905 Aliens act was introduced primarily to stem the flow of Eastern European Jews into the UK. To his credit Churchill was vehemently against the act and left the Tory party as a result. After WW1 and the defeat of the Ottomans, The British mandate encouraged migration of Jews into what was then Palestine. That soon gave rise to antagonism and violence between the incomers and the Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims who had lived there for centuries... the rest, as they say is history.

Exactly. Vegans being a case in point (are we allowed to joke here ?)

Speaking of jokes, and totally un-PC 😀

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01777fr

I’m confused as to what the problem with the word Eire is ?

We’ve always used it and it’s used by the Government when anything’s written in Irish.

I thought it was a little derail by pp, though I note now that some people can take offence and others note that the lack of an accent on the capital E could change it's meaning.
I used it for the same reason that Ayers Rock = Uluru, Bombay = Mumbai, Peking = Beijing and Snowdonia = Eryri. You can't please everyone.

What do you mean could change the meaning? They are two different words. Eire means burden. Why would you refer to Ireland as that? Who did you think you would be pleasing by doing that? Do you see Irish posters here referring to Ireland as Eire? Have you ever thought about why that might be or do you just think that you know the name of their country better than they do?

Well I’m Irish and I use Eire with the accent as do my family but
I can’t get the accent on my devise though

Good for you

Well I’m assuming most will have one of these so I’m all good

Éire is usually used when you’re speaking in the Irish language. It’s not normally used in Ireland when speaking English.

The passport simply shows the name of the country in both languages.

When Ireland (ROI) gained independence, the establishment in the UK refused to used the chosen name and used Eire instead, so there is historical baggage associated with its use.
Also, as pp said, without the fada the word has is a different meaning (burden) as well as a different pronunciation.

Unfortunately, though I’m sure well-intentioned, the use of Eire has quite the opposite effect. Eire was a term used by the British establishment when they refused to use the name Ireland (which is ROI’s official name, in English). That’s one of the reasons the use of Eire rankles. Also the fact that it’s spelt incorrectly as already explained.

Speaking as a non Irish person I didn't even know Eire meant burden, should be spelt with an accent on the E or could be considered an offensive term.

If the word is used on an Irish passport though, it doesn't seem that it is seen as an offensive word by most Irish people.

If the accent changes the meaning, that could have been explained politely as I'm sure there was no intention to offend.

No, I know there was no intention to offend. Just trying to explain things.
The term isn’t used in Ireland(ROI), not when speaking English.
It’s written in the Irish language as well as the English language on the passport (as are the other terms) and the context makes all the difference. It’s the context that makes it not okay, as well as the misspelling.

I don’t think it’s okay to assume it’s not something that most Irish people wouldn’t notice or mind by the way. Mostly people know that the user means absolutely no offense and it’s taken like that, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to use it once you know iyswim.

Southern Ireland, a term a pp also used, can cause offense too (another can of worms). Mostly because it’s simply not the country’s name, but there are also historical reasons.

Anyway, bit of a derail.

I wasn't particularly aiming my comment at you, you did help to explain things.

I appreciate that context is important however it can't be expected that non Irish people will necessarily understand the nuances so the pile on of a different poster (not by you) was rather unnecessary.

Was also unaware that the term "southern Ireland" could cause offence.

Every day is a school day! Thanks for explaining.

Well you know now. Eire was often used by Unionist politicians in my life time but I haven’t heard it in years. The purpose was to offend.

You’re aligning yourself with DUP types by using it. Which might be ok with you. They are very supportive of Israel’s military actions in Gaza.

I don't know what you are trying to say tbh. Everybody Irish knows that Éire with a fada is the Irish for Ireland. That when speaking as Gaeilge it is used. I've genuinely never met someone who uses Éire in everyday English conversation though eg there is a housing crisis in Éire, if your family do thats great but that isn't the norm at all and you know it, if you take part in any conversations outside of your family, listen to the tv/radio etc.

The poster replied to a post that mentioned Ireland but changed Ireland to Eire in her response back. It's odd behaviour to use an incorrect term to refer to a country, especially when replying to a post that used the correct term. Especially when you consider the history attached to Brits refusing to address Ireland by the correct name. It's not difficult to use the correct term, it was right there in front of her. Hopefully she has learnt something and will stick to using Ireland in future which when speaking as Béarla is the correct term rather than using burden.

don’t get your point at all. Are you trying to prove that the poster replied to a post which mentioned Ireland with a misspelling of the Irish for Ireland? By accident of course. I’m sure no offence was intended.

No
I questioned the response….if I knew I wouldn’t have wasted my time asking

My parents and all relatives spoke Irish so we have always used the Irish word
Perhaps those who never spoke Irish don’t, but my family have always mixed and matched both languages all over the place so may use either. It’s not something anyone ever got upset about ( and we are Catholic )

It’s an Irish word used by the ( or it seems some) Irish. Perhaps the English using it within the English language is whats unacceptable 🤷 and it seems from a Google this is the case.

Not sure the poster who started this has come back but agree it’s odd to switch words. I would, however, rather assume people are first and foremost kind and they meant no harm in it.

Agree
I prefer to think they meant no offence
because I prefer to assume
’innocent unless proven guilty’ …for want of a better term.

Yes, it’s a perfectly normal word when speaking Irish @StandingSideBySide. Absolutely no issues there.
There’s a lot of historical baggage and resentment around its use in English, and for good reason, but most people in GB won’t realise that today. I think @Dagda was being sarcastic in her last post btw, but I also think she’s wrong about pp’s motivation here.