How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?

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BN has resumed the attack on Gaza, surely finding bodies is easier when you are not being bombed, shelled, shot at and starved.

One positive thing - the IDF says it has resumed enforcing the ceasefire today.

"Following a series of strikes, in which dozens of terror targets and terrorists were struck, the IDF has begun the renewed enforcement of the ceasefire in response to Hamas' violations," the military said.

"As part of the strikes, the IDF and ISA struck 30 terrorists holding command positions within the terrorist organisations operating in the Gaza Strip," it added.

It's not worth the lives of children though. Those families that have been waiting by the phone do you think they feel better now that 35 more children have been killed in their memory? 35 children dead who were alive yesterday because of a delay in getting back a body? I'm sorry but that's psycho behaviour and coming from the same army that shoots Palestinians trying to retrieve the bodies of their dead.

There are a hell of lot more than 13 families waiting for the bodies of their loved ones to be found. I'm sick of those people being erased from the conversation. There are 1000s of bodies lost in Gaza. 1000s of families waiting for their loved ones remains. Let's work peacefully to get them all back with their families instead of creating more dead bodies because someone somewhere has decided that those 13 are the most important.

You know some of them may never receive any remains back right?

The area was bombed the shit out of, didn't you notice? Netanyahu bombed the hostages he claimed to want to save🤔

I'm sure we would all like those in charge to work peacefully to get all the bodies back home. But the bodies of the Israeli hostages that are being talked about were part of the ceasefire deal which gives them a special significance. Not to their families of course, but to the success or otherwise of the peace deal.

Unless you say you don't care about the peace deal, we should all be acutely aware of the special importance attached to these particular bodies - politically speaking.

@Twiglets1
I am not sure how Hamas could have guaranteed getting all the dead hostage bodies back to Israel and how Israel could have expected this to be easily done. Hamas was crazy to stage the most recent stunt of “finding” a body.

Would it be reasonable to expect them to be able to do this without major assistance and time? You must have seen pictures of Gaza.

Do you know what guarantee Hamas gave about this? I can’t find the details of the ceasefire agreement when it comes to return of deceased hostages.

IDF says Gaza strikes targeted battalion and company commanders, weapons sites, tunnels.

The military says its strikes targeted dozens of terror operatives, including two battalion-level commanders, two deputy battalion commanders, and 16 company commanders in Hamas and other terror groups.

The military says it is not able to confirm yet that the Hamas commanders it targeted were killed in the strikes.

The IDF does, however, name several terrorists who it says infiltrated Israel on October 7 and were killed in the strikes in the past day.

They include: Muhammad Issa, a platoon commander in Hamas’s Nukhba Force; Fawaz Uwayda, a Nukhba Force cell commander; Muhammad Abu Shari’a and Nidal Abu Shari’a, both members of the Mujahideen Brigade’s terror group; and Hatem Maher Mousa Qudra, a Nukhba Force company commander who led the attack on Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha on October 7.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-gaza-strikes-targeted-battalion-and-company-commanders-weapons-sites-tunnels/

I think Israelis should accept that their dead are no more significant than the dead of Palestinians and wait in line like everyone else rather than creating more dead bodies. They got the living hostages back. Not to be crass but their dead aren't getting anymore dead, there is no reason they can't wait like everyone else.

Killing children because of a delay on receiving dead bodies is disgusting, I think everyone can agree on that. It elevates the importance of Israeli dead over the lives of Palestinians which is obviously not reality, living Palestinians are more important than the already dead. Those children who killed were more important than the dead hostages and it would be great if everyone would just speak the truth on that rather than waffling pretending that there is any equivalence.

no longer restricting aid entering Gaza was also a condition of the ceasefire, a more important one than the retrieval of dead bodies I would think, but Israel has not facilitated this and yet it is not called out

There’s nothing frankly “positive” about what Israel is doing at present in bombing innocent people in Gaza:
“The Israeli strikes hit homes, schools and residential blocks in Gaza City and Beit Lahia in the north of Gaza, Bureij and Nuseirat in the centre, and Khan Younis in the south.
Witnesses in Gaza City described seeing "pillars of fire and smoke" rising into the air as explosions shook several residential areas.
Gaza's health ministry said a total of 104 people were killed, including 46 children and 20 women, and that more than 250 others were injured.”

One Israeli soldier dies and a country capable of highly selective action bombs schools and residential buildings. Killing 46 children.

Yeah- it’s really positive what Israel is doing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjdy5eevn2o

Clause 4 of the ceasefire plan that both sides agreed to was that Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

Israel couldn't reasonably be expected to know how hard this would be for Hamas as they didn't know where Hamas had hidden the bodies of the dead hostages. For example, some of their tunnels are still in good condition.

Nevertheless, it was reasonable I think to accept that Hamas couldn't actually do what it had promised within 72 hours. The hope was that they were trying in good faith to return as many as possible as quickly as possible. I think the antics of yesterday's fake return has really infuriated Israel as it seems like just more lies and game playing from Hamas.

I said it's positive that the ceasefire is starting again today.

Would you rather it wasn't? It's rare to find someone that sees a ceasefire as a negative thing.

I agree that a life still being lived is worth more than a life already ended.

Which is why its unforgivable for Hamas to risk the ceasefire and the living of their own by hiding a dead body.

Why so chronically unable to admit this is Hamas' fault? Are they your friends or something?

Steady on there.
Israel makes up 0.1 of the entire Middle East landmass.
You despise Israel and call it the cancer of the world, I take it you think radical Islam is just super then.
Hamas don’t want a ceasefire and have no intention of going away.

Israel has killed dozens of Palestinians which include many children just in the last 24 hours. It's state terrorism.

Has anyone seen the channel four segment on how Israeli soldiers are radicalised at the Bnei David academy? It makes sense when you dig deeper into the radicalisation of the IDF, why so many Palestinian children have been targeted and killed by them.

Did seem an extreme comment, am surprised MN allows it to stand.

The poster may be taking Iran Leader Ali Khamenei as their inspiration, who said a similar thing back in 2012:

Israel is a “cancerous tumor” and is the biggest problem facing the Muslim world, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said on Sunday, immediately after the international community condemned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for making similar comments.

“The great powers have dominated the destiny of the Islamic countries for years and… installed the Zionist cancerous tumour in the heart of the Islamic world,” semi-official Iranian IRNA news agency quoted Khamenei saying in an Eid al-Fitr speech marking the end of the Islamic month of Ramadan.

“Many of the problems facing the Muslim world are due to the existence of the Zionist regime,” he charged.

Khamenei’s comments on Sunday came two days after Ahmadinejad marked al-Quds day on Friday by calling for the elimination of the “insult to all humanity” that is Israel, and said that its very existence is a crime against humanity.

www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-israeli-a-malignant-zionist-tumor/

Well this is a Jew hater with the balls to show their true feelings at least.

I have seen this slogan ‘Israel is the cancer of the world’ so often on SM and it’s ALWAYS followed by Jewish tropes and blood libels.

Maybe @Cassavaflower can explain exactly how the tiny State of Israel is the cancer of the world and why she thinks Israel should have negotiated for the hostages ‘from the start’ which presumably means she thinks there should have been no response to Oct 7th, instead of Hamas shouldn’t have started a war and taken hostages including a baby and young children in the first place.

Does she think any other country would have not responded to an attack like Oct 7th?

Note Israel are bloodthirsty loons but the Palestinians who committed the atrocities of Oct 7th up close and personal are not worth a mention.

Then the temerity to question the sanity of people who don’t support Hamas!

That shows the mindset of a lot of pro-Palestinians very clearly.

An Israeli ceasefire at present still equates to many people being killed. I was pleased when the ceasefire was initially announced earlier in October. The continued bombing of Gaza that does not seem proportionate does not feel positive.

I imagine the families of those killed since the original ceasefire will agree.

The slogan ‘Israel is a cancer’ has spread (excuse the pun) all over SM over the last two years, more so over the last few months. Obviously it started somewhere then became a catchy slogan much like ‘Free Palestine’ I suppose.

It’s the old scapegoating of the Jews for ‘the problems facing the Muslim world’, as if they’d be solved if the cancerous tumour that is Israel was cut out. No, they’d just find someone else to fight without Israel as their common enemy.

The real reason that Israel is seen as a ‘cancer’ in the ME is this:

Today, the Jewish dhimmis, those “children of fear” (or “of death”), are not forgiven for having succeeded in creating a state that ranks among the most developed countries in the world. And one that has held its own against several Arab armies in the course of numerous wars. For the Arab psyche, the State of Israel remains an unforgivable slap in the face, a mystery and a heartbreak. It is also a a humiliating blow to the prevailing sense of stagnation within the Arab world, providing fertile ground for the propagation of the myth of the “Jewish conspiracy.”

Over the past thirty years, this anti-Semitism has become more radical. It has also become more Islamized, inspired by the work of the Egyptian “Muslim Brother” Saïd Qutb, whose essay Our Fight Against the Jews, published in the early 1950s, remains the benchmark of contemporary fundamentalism to this day. For Saïd Qutb, the Jews are guilty of having emancipated themselves from Muslim domination and created a Jewish state in the heart of the Arab-Muslim world. They are responsible for the “modern doctrines of atheistic materialism” (in no particular order, communism, psychoanalysis and sociology) that have led to “the destruction of the family and the collapse of sacred relations in society”. The evil work of “three Jews” – Marx, Freud and Durkheim – illustrates the subversive role of the Jews in “contemporary immorality destined to destroy humanity”.

I found this article about the history of the Jewish ‘dhimmi’ status under Muslim rule very illuminating and also the similarities in the brutality of atrocities carried out in Arab programs against Jews to Oct 7th quite terrifying in how little progress has been made in mentality.

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Palestinians are not allowed to live as equals in Israel, only as 2nd class citizens.

Arab citizens of Israel have full legal citizenship and essentially the same civil and political rights as Jewish Israelis. There is structural disadvantage and no doubt discrimination too. But to claim ‘second class citizenship’ akin to South African apartheid or Nazi Germany is absurd hyperbole.

As for ‘out of touch’, remember you are talking about a group you were completely unaware of less than 24 hours ago.

Any state that wants to live by interpreting a religious book as facts is doomed

I’m not a huge fan of theocratic states either. But let’s face a few realities: i) Israel is one of the most secular states in the region, though not as secular as I’d like. Its legal system is inherited from English common law not the Talmud, ii) Israel’s raison d’être is about a homeland for an ethnicity, not a religion. I’m also not a massive fan of that concept, but it’s utterly commonplace as the basis of nation states. Israel is also far more ethnically open than basically all its surrounding states.

So I have some sympathy with your desire for modern, secular, multi-ethnic states with expansive citizenship rights. Which Middle Eastern states do you think do better than Israel on that score? Who has greater citizenship rights: Arab Israelis, or Arabs in [pick any surrounding state]?

Thank you for explaining. I don't use SM much apart from MN if that even counts as SM. Glad I don't sometimes.

I was shocked by the comment. Interesting to note that back in 2012 the international community condemned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for making similar comments.

Roll forward to 2025 and it's apparently a common thing to see on SM and is considered an appropriate thing to say on a website aimed at mums!

Hmm sounds like some kind of projectionist project to demonise Israel to me. Channel 4 known for bias against Israel.

What are your thoughts on the Palestinian cause to annihilate Israel and eradicate the Jews spoken openly about by their leaders, the indoctrination of hate in Palestinian schools, kids terrorist training summer camps and Palestinians on Oct 7th shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ while slaughtering Jews and in celebration of the slaughter?

Do you think Channel 4 might do a documentary on that radicalisation?

Everyone knows Hamas are terrorists, they don’t exactly hide it, we know they are radicalised and try to radicalise others, Israel radicalise the IDF but pretend they don’t. It’s not an effort to demonise them it’s exposing the IDF.

Hamas are cunts, but so is the Israeli government, neither care about civilians dying, they are both as bad as each other.

Hamas are openly terrorist assholes, the Israeli government try to hide that they are - you can roll a turd in glitter, it’s still a turd.

But you have just deliberately twisted that @Twiglets1!

The post stated Netanyahu’s actions - not Israel’s.

Germany has now been forgiven yes. But that took time.
Hitler himself however has not been. Nor the Nazi party.
So yes in time Israel will be forgiven the actions of today. Netanyahu however may not be so easy forgiven.

Apart from the Israeli government also runs an effective nationstate, takes care of its own with the Iron Dome, doesn't shoot the opposition in the street, has facilitated many flourishing industries, has a decent recird with womens rights, doesn't hide its soldiers and weapons in civilian buildings, has mutually beneficial relationships with its allies, and allows democratic elections to its people.

There are of course many ways we could also criticize the current Israeli administration. Settlers, right-wing nutjobs, corruption ( although bring dealt with by legal system ), discriminatory policies etc. Much like any other government, USA, India, us...

Now you do Hamas. What positives have they bought for Gazans? What have Gazans got to be grateful for their government for? And what criticisms could you make?

And once you've done that, you still come up with Israeli administration as the worst?