How will carrying out "powerful strikes " on Gaza help to get the bodies back?

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BN has resumed the attack on Gaza, surely finding bodies is easier when you are not being bombed, shelled, shot at and starved.

Why are dead hostages more important that alive children?

Of course she's wrong. Who cares about what the Japanese did to the Chinese these days? Who still holds even the Holocaust against the Germans?

A small subset of Israel haters will use this to justify their Israel hatred of course, tale as old as time.

I wish we could block some posters. The same old lines everytime, nothing new to add, completely closed off to any kind of wider thinking.

They aren't.

Thats why Hamas should have just returned the body instead of fucking about.

More innocent people have died because they didn't.

I know ... people move on and that's a good thing. Holding grudges over generations doesn't end well - just look at Gaza.

I still feel a sense of absolute horror about what happened to Jews and certain other groups at the time of the holocaust. But do I blame German people for that who weren't even alive at the time... no of course not.

I wish we could block posters too, it's just boring after a while to have to refute other people's weird obsessions and grudges.

It is not the slightest bit nuanced. The Israelis have broken the ceasefire and are killing innocent children again. Just stop for Gods sake.

Hamas have broken the ceasefire in a completely pointless way, hiding remains of a body, and then pretending to find it. Even the Red Cross have commented.
Why are you writing Hamas out of your narrative? To what end?

No I won't stop while there are people on here peddling misinformation.

The IDF have broken the ceasefire because Hamas broke the ceasefire (some say it's the other way round but that argument could go on forever).

At this point it's clear that both sides have broken the ceasefire and it's just wrong to pretend that it's all the fault of "the Israelis".

Hamas need to stop firing at IDF soldiers and start returning more dead hostages as quickly as they are able to and without any theatrics - that would stop the IDF air strikes and thus stop innocent children being caught up in this war.

Because the Israelis are the ones killing yet more civilians. I want them to stop now, as do many other people around the world. Is it really that hard to understand?

Think she meant Israel, not you @Twiglets1.

No, more innocent people died because Israel decided to kill them. Israel killed those children. Israel are responsible for their own actions.

Until the US withdraws support for Israel there will not be an end to this absolute carnage. There's little chance of that happening. At least 20 children killed overnight. Ceasefire? What ceasefire?

Well the comment was addressed to @dairydebris not me.

But it just looks like @Irenesortof has answered a question with a question to avoid answering why they are writing Hamas out of their narrative

I said, why are you leaving Hamas out of this?

It's a forum of Mums fgs. We all want the killing to stop. Do you honestly think theres a bunch of us who enjoy seeing innocent people killed?

Are Hamas responsible for their own actions?

Starting this particular war with the murders and rapes of mainly civilians?

Making a mockery of the hostage releases on several occasions?

Hamas did not kill 22 Palestinian children last night, the IDF ordered by Netanyahu did. There were famous trials last century where the defence of "We were just following orders" failed spectacularly.

Ignore it at your own peril, but studies show than Gen Z in America are increasingly turning away from both political parties as they see them as to beholden to lobbies that advocate for Israel. Young Americans don't want to be associated with killing children. The worrying trend on the right is that they're turning to influencers like Nick Fuentes who fully advocates for why the Germans had to do what they did. His latest interview has had over 3 million views in less than 48 hours.

I agree the US will not withdraw support for Israel.

The ceasefire will keep failing and people dying until enough pressure is put on both sides to keep to it.

Of course Israel are responsible for their own actions.

Israel carried out strikes because of the blatant breach of conditions, Hamas not returning a body that they were supposed to return.

Are Hamas responsible for the choice they took in doing this? What was to be gained by Hamas doing this? Did Hamas know they were doing this when they were shoveling dirt over the remains? Why are they not responsible for the consequences of those freely taken actions?

Again. My 10 year old wants to know how to exist in this blissful vacuum you've created for terrorists?

The IDF are not denying responsibility for the people that got killed in the air strikes yesterday @BelleHathor but soldiers in an army do have to follow orders, not just in the IDF but around the world.

Your views are muddled if you think large numbers of young Americans who rightly don't want to be associated with killing children are about to deny the Holocaust which unsurprisingly was associated with killing children.

There are always extremist nutcases who gain followings ... the trick is not to become part of the following or start thinking they may have a valid point. I wouldn't even be giving them publicity by naming them in case that attracts more interest in their abhorrent views.

Only one side killed 22 children last night

How is talking about personal responsibility creating a “blissful vacuum” for terrorists?

Hamas are absolutely responsible for all of their choices. I would be delighted if Israel wiped Hamas from the face of the map, for the sake of the Palestinians as much as the Israelis. That would be holding them accountable. Sadly, Israel seem to be incapable of this and instead continue to slaughter innocent people and children.

What disgusts me is the cost of innocent human life in this conflict. Israel is not “holding Hamas to account” by killing tens of thousands of innocent people and levelling Palestine. I have no idea what they are hoping to achieve by striking a family home.

Yes the IDF carried out air strikes last night in which children got killed. But only after Hamas shot at IDF soldiers behind the yellow line and staged the discovery of a hostage's remains. That children got killed we can all agree is awful - as always we disagree on who is ultimately responsible for the truce ending.

The Red Cross tries to be completely neutral and not take sides but even they said the hostage show was "unacceptable" and the "return of remains to loved ones must not be politicized".

Yet surprise, surprise....not one of the pro Pals on MN have criticised Hamas for this as all you want to do is act as though Hamas don't exist and Israel just decided to attack again for no reason whatsoever.

How is killing 22 children ( 81 people altogether) getting back at Hamas for breaking the ceasefire? Hamas have clearly shown they have no regard for the lives of Palestinians so what was the purpose of the airstrikes except to attack civilians.

@Twiglets1 Israel has recently blocked a shipment of aid containing children’s clothing from entering Gaza, with winter approaching can you justify this along with all your other justifications of their actions??? The children last night did not “get killed” they were killed by Israel, their deaths are not justifiable

The purpose of the airstrikes would have been to show Hamas they had exceeded the limits of what Israel would tolerate, and to kill some militants.

It's a horrible phrase and I don't mean to minimise that children were killed alongside Hamas fighters but to soldiers in a war situation, I believe civilian deaths are referred to as "collateral damage".

Collateral damage : a euphemism that dehumanizes non-combatants and minimizes the responsibility of military leaders for civilian casualties.

Shame on you