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Conflict in the Middle East

Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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Wakeuplittlebunnies · 10/10/2025 06:50

It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

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kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:10

There’s nothing honourable about going to fight with a military who are murdering children in their thousands.

That anyone thinks that’s honourable is disturbing. But then there are so many people who don’t actually care about the children or men and women being killed or starved in their thousands as these threads often show.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:12

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Where is the censorship?
A poster made a remark on a different thread, obviously not breaking any guidelines, and it’s being thrown back at her. There is no need for that.

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:16

CrossChecking · 10/10/2025 13:51

And does that sound like the 'ceasefire' we have repeatedly been told existed or does it sound like this 'ceasefire' was another figment of pro Israel imagination because I haven't seen a single pro Palestinian claim that there was a ceasefire in place.

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My impression is that ceasefire is a relative term here, for lucky people whose country isn't being attacked on a daily basis from various sides it means no bombs, for Israelis it seems to mean fewer bombs, hence the iron dome and bomb shelters and the fact that the Nova festival kids and kibbutzniks didn't immediately realise the danger they were in.

Does Israel generally leave Jordan and Egypt alone and if so could it be due to them not constantly attacking.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:16

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:10

There’s nothing honourable about going to fight with a military who are murdering children in their thousands.

That anyone thinks that’s honourable is disturbing. But then there are so many people who don’t actually care about the children or men and women being killed or starved in their thousands as these threads often show.

Is it their military aim to go and murder thousands of children, or are they fighting a prescribed terrorist organisation embedded amongst civilians? As pp said, sadly war crimes happen in any war.

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:22

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:16

Is it their military aim to go and murder thousands of children, or are they fighting a prescribed terrorist organisation embedded amongst civilians? As pp said, sadly war crimes happen in any war.

No. Children don’t get shot in the head as standard in war.

Medics don’t get targeted and executed with their ambulance being buried as standard.

People being murdered when trying to get water or food isn’t standard either.

Saying the extent of civilian suffering is just the way things go in a war and minimising it won’t suddenly make it okay.

CrossChecking · 10/10/2025 14:24

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:16

My impression is that ceasefire is a relative term here, for lucky people whose country isn't being attacked on a daily basis from various sides it means no bombs, for Israelis it seems to mean fewer bombs, hence the iron dome and bomb shelters and the fact that the Nova festival kids and kibbutzniks didn't immediately realise the danger they were in.

Does Israel generally leave Jordan and Egypt alone and if so could it be due to them not constantly attacking.

Does Israel have Egyptians and Jordanians living under occupation and apartheid? It's apples and oranges isn't it?

You can't have 10% of your country living in illegally occupied land and then say why are they constantly attacking us, most of these attacks happen in Palestine and could quickly be resolved if Israelis would just move back to Israel. We hear about these terrorist attacks on Israelis but it is never actually made clear that the vast majority of these attacks don't actually happen in Israel and could be prevented by Israelis not living illegally on someone else's land.

I'm not saying attacking civillians is ok, it's not OK but neither is 10% of Israelis participating in apartheid and illegal occupation on a daily basis, that is violence too.

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:31

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:22

No. Children don’t get shot in the head as standard in war.

Medics don’t get targeted and executed with their ambulance being buried as standard.

People being murdered when trying to get water or food isn’t standard either.

Saying the extent of civilian suffering is just the way things go in a war and minimising it won’t suddenly make it okay.

You have no memory of the war in former Yugoslavia? You haven't heard reports from Ukraine? I can assure you that these things do happen in war.

Does the name Slobodan Milosevic ring any bells?

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:35

CrossChecking · 10/10/2025 14:24

Does Israel have Egyptians and Jordanians living under occupation and apartheid? It's apples and oranges isn't it?

You can't have 10% of your country living in illegally occupied land and then say why are they constantly attacking us, most of these attacks happen in Palestine and could quickly be resolved if Israelis would just move back to Israel. We hear about these terrorist attacks on Israelis but it is never actually made clear that the vast majority of these attacks don't actually happen in Israel and could be prevented by Israelis not living illegally on someone else's land.

I'm not saying attacking civillians is ok, it's not OK but neither is 10% of Israelis participating in apartheid and illegal occupation on a daily basis, that is violence too.

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Are you saying there are no missiles coming into Israel from Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen....

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:35

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:31

You have no memory of the war in former Yugoslavia? You haven't heard reports from Ukraine? I can assure you that these things do happen in war.

Does the name Slobodan Milosevic ring any bells?

So much whataboutrey. I would not find my son or daughter going to fight for a government that carries out these types of atrocities regardless of who they are at war with.

Knowingly being proud of your child for partaking in those activities is incomprehensible to me.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:36

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:22

No. Children don’t get shot in the head as standard in war.

Medics don’t get targeted and executed with their ambulance being buried as standard.

People being murdered when trying to get water or food isn’t standard either.

Saying the extent of civilian suffering is just the way things go in a war and minimising it won’t suddenly make it okay.

What is the standard in war? Of course war crimes happen outside the Israel-Gaza conflict.
Do you think Putin for instance cares much about “standards”?
If these children were indeed shot by Israeli soldiers then that is a crime committed by these individual soldiers.

Londonmummy66 · 10/10/2025 14:37

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SharonEllis · 10/10/2025 14:40

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What a grotesque post. You know nothing about this posters background other than that she is Jewish. That seems to becenough for a relentless pike on ftom several posters. What a shameful thread.

caringcarer · 10/10/2025 14:41

I think it more likely Hamas will break ceasefire or refuse to hand over hostages and bodies they kidnapped. They will come up with some excuse they don't remember where bodies are.

SharonEllis · 10/10/2025 14:42

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Its antisemitusm she is criticising. Criticising racism is a value we should all align with.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:43

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She didn’t describe any country as “fucking country”.

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:44

kirinm · 10/10/2025 14:35

So much whataboutrey. I would not find my son or daughter going to fight for a government that carries out these types of atrocities regardless of who they are at war with.

Knowingly being proud of your child for partaking in those activities is incomprehensible to me.

Good for you, though once they reach 18 it's not in your power to stop them.

Many countries have compulsory military service, many british idealists went to fight in the Spanish civil war, some british kids went off to join daesh. I think there are things worth fighting for or against, whether they are the same things as you I couldn't say. How we fight them is another matter.

quantumbutterfly · 10/10/2025 14:47

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:43

She didn’t describe any country as “fucking country”.

Indeed, this is an example of how words get twisted I suppose.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:47

SharonEllis · 10/10/2025 14:40

What a grotesque post. You know nothing about this posters background other than that she is Jewish. That seems to becenough for a relentless pike on ftom several posters. What a shameful thread.

Agree, and I also wonder of pp would choose to chastise anyone from a different minority group sharing their frustration about what they’re experiencing in the UK.

SharonEllis · 10/10/2025 14:49

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:47

Agree, and I also wonder of pp would choose to chastise anyone from a different minority group sharing their frustration about what they’re experiencing in the UK.

I don't think they would. Anyone claiming any other minority was a guest in this country would be rightly criticised, probably banned.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:52

caringcarer · 10/10/2025 14:41

I think it more likely Hamas will break ceasefire or refuse to hand over hostages and bodies they kidnapped. They will come up with some excuse they don't remember where bodies are.

Didn’t they already claim they’ve lost 7 to 15 bodies? Absolutely grotesque.

Twiglets1 · 10/10/2025 14:58

Personally I think the really vital thing is getting back the live hostages asap.

No disrespect meant to the families of the dead hostages but I really think shit will go down if the live ones aren't released on Monday.

kirinm · 10/10/2025 15:11

inamarina · 10/10/2025 14:52

Didn’t they already claim they’ve lost 7 to 15 bodies? Absolutely grotesque.

Obviously Hamas shouldn’t have hostages at all but given how much of Gaza has been destroyed, isn’t it likely that they’ve died in those areas and are not necessarily identifiable now? (I genuinely don’t mean that with any disrespect at all).

Twiglets1 · 10/10/2025 15:34

CrossChecking · 10/10/2025 13:51

And does that sound like the 'ceasefire' we have repeatedly been told existed or does it sound like this 'ceasefire' was another figment of pro Israel imagination because I haven't seen a single pro Palestinian claim that there was a ceasefire in place.

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I’ve not mentioned a ceasefire before 7/10. I think the current war started on 7/10 so I would not be calling the period before it a ceasefire. More like a kind of uneasy truce but one where violence was liable to break out fairly often- not a full scale war though, that was unexpected.

inamarina · 10/10/2025 16:31

kirinm · 10/10/2025 16:24

I really wish people would drop pretending that the number of children being maimed or killed is totally standard warfare.

Thousands of children who are now orphans with horrific injuries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/no-family-stability-social-fabric-harm-inflicted-gaza-children-incalculable

Is it standard practice for the government of a country at war not to allow civilians to shelter in underground structures, like in, let’s say, hundreds of miles long tunnels?

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