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Conflict in the Middle East

Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

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Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 19:30

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 17:15

Well I think a 'great person' might have honoured the victims of that atrocity by bearing witness to it.

Why should she? Why should she watch something on the orders of the Israeli govt/ the IDF?
If the film is so important why is it that it is only being shown to selected people at selected times under watchful eyes?

Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 19:31

Beachtastic · 28/09/2025 17:22

Don't you think someone who has made it her personal mission to vilify Israel should have at least mild curiosity about understanding how war was visited upon them, and what kind of war?

Or do you think she would dismiss it as Hasbara? Do you?

I think a woman of Greta’s intelligence is more than capable of making up her own mind and sourcing information for herself

Beachtastic · 28/09/2025 19:37

If the film is so important why is it that it is only being shown to selected people at selected times under watchful eyes?

That sounds a bit like you dismiss it as manufactured propaganda, yes?

CrossChecking · 28/09/2025 19:44

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 17:15

Well I think a 'great person' might have honoured the victims of that atrocity by bearing witness to it.

I don't think that a prerequisite of a 'great person' is to do whatever the people who hauled you off your boat and brought you to a foreign country against your will want you to do. She didn't ask to be Israel. She didn't want to be in Israel. She owed them nothing.

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 19:59

CrossChecking · 28/09/2025 19:44

I don't think that a prerequisite of a 'great person' is to do whatever the people who hauled you off your boat and brought you to a foreign country against your will want you to do. She didn't ask to be Israel. She didn't want to be in Israel. She owed them nothing.

Umm. She chose to get on that boat. Israel sure as hell didn't want her there.

Twiglets1 · 28/09/2025 20:07

She chose to get involved in a war yet is only interested in the suffering on one side.

CrossChecking · 28/09/2025 20:24

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 19:59

Umm. She chose to get on that boat. Israel sure as hell didn't want her there.

Israel didn't want her there but took her out of International waters against her will and brought her there. Sounds legit. Poor Israel, they had no choice, forced to break the law left right and centre 😭

First Hamas force them to kill 20000 children, then they are forced to starve 2 million people now we are told they were forced by Greta no less to take her out of International waters and bring her to Israel where awful Greta wouldn't even watch their compilation tape to thank them for doing her bidding.

quantumbutterfly · 28/09/2025 20:30

Poor Greta, apparently she was kidnapped by Israel.
At least she was released unharmed and fed. Now she's coming back, maybe it's Stockholm syndrome, how apt.

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 20:36

CrossChecking · 28/09/2025 20:24

Israel didn't want her there but took her out of International waters against her will and brought her there. Sounds legit. Poor Israel, they had no choice, forced to break the law left right and centre 😭

First Hamas force them to kill 20000 children, then they are forced to starve 2 million people now we are told they were forced by Greta no less to take her out of International waters and bring her to Israel where awful Greta wouldn't even watch their compilation tape to thank them for doing her bidding.

It wasnt against her will. It was exactly what she wanted!

dairydebris · 28/09/2025 20:37

Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 19:30

Why should she? Why should she watch something on the orders of the Israeli govt/ the IDF?
If the film is so important why is it that it is only being shown to selected people at selected times under watchful eyes?

Are you serious with this question?

Perhaps to preserve the dignity of the victims?
Perhaps because the victims families haven't given permission?
Perhaps because Israel doesn't wish to weaponize the suffering of her own?
Perhaps because of people like you making snidey remarks about it?
Gosh, I don't know, could be so many reasons couldn't it?

You could always find the Hamas footage online though, cleverly bypass those 'watchful eyes' 🙄

deckchairmayhem · 28/09/2025 20:40

The arguments has moved on from this, now there's a full scale genocide taking place.

CrossChecking · 28/09/2025 20:42

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 20:36

It wasnt against her will. It was exactly what she wanted!

Yeah, sure Sharon. Just like Hamas want Israel to kill 20000 children and want Israel to starve 2 million people. Israel are just being helpful and doing what others want and getting slated for it. They can't win can they, poor kindhearted Israel.

Beachtastic · 28/09/2025 20:47

This thread hit basement a while back and just keeps going...

Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?
Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 21:01

SharonEllis · 28/09/2025 19:59

Umm. She chose to get on that boat. Israel sure as hell didn't want her there.

Well no, because she was drawing attention to their genocidal actions. Obviously they didn’t want her there.

Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 21:03

Beachtastic · 28/09/2025 19:37

If the film is so important why is it that it is only being shown to selected people at selected times under watchful eyes?

That sounds a bit like you dismiss it as manufactured propaganda, yes?

I wouldn’t know, since I haven’t seen it.

SisterTeatime · 28/09/2025 21:36

Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 21:03

I wouldn’t know, since I haven’t seen it.

Bit of a mealy-mouthed response there.

It speaks volumes about Greta and co that they refused to watch it.

Thegreyhound · 28/09/2025 21:46

SisterTeatime · 28/09/2025 21:36

Bit of a mealy-mouthed response there.

It speaks volumes about Greta and co that they refused to watch it.

Mealy mouthed? Dead straight- I haven’t seen the film. Have you?
Greta is a queen.

PaxAeterna · 28/09/2025 21:57

The whole wanting to show her the video has North Korean vibes for sure. It’s reflects a minority of people’s opinions in these threads who think that if only everyone realised how savage Hamas are that they would agree that all the Palestinians should suffer in return.

It once again conflates the entire Palestinian population with terrorists.

It’s a very bizarre logic.

i think I’d probably need counselling after watching something that is no doubt horrific but it would never justify what’s happening in Gaza. Both the Hamas massacre and the Israeli response are horrific.

SisterTeatime · 28/09/2025 22:09

if only everyone realised how savage Hamas are that they would agree that all the Palestinians should suffer in return

That’s an asinine take on what posters have said. Nobody thinks that.

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 06:12

SisterTeatime · 28/09/2025 22:09

if only everyone realised how savage Hamas are that they would agree that all the Palestinians should suffer in return

That’s an asinine take on what posters have said. Nobody thinks that.

It’s just their rhetoric often repeated that we want Palestinians to suffer.

Of course we don’t and why would we? It doesn’t help Israel one jot for Palestinians to suffer, only for Hamas to be destroyed.

soulofmysoul · 29/09/2025 06:29

Uggbootsforever · 27/09/2025 23:43

They know full well Israel will ensure their safety.

Haha really?? Well then I guess you know nothing about the past flotillas, one in which 10 on board were killed. These people are risking their lives to break the illegal siege and raise awareness and even more than that they bring hope to the people of Gaza who know that attempts are being made and they are not forgotten. By having big names like Greta and Liam Cunningham on board it makes it more difficult for Israel to murder them like last time.

Ihatetomatoes · 29/09/2025 09:58

Twiglets1 · 28/09/2025 15:16

To my knowledge (please someone correct me if they know otherwise) Greta has never spoken about why she and the others refused to watch the video.

An article by Brendan O' Neill dated June 25 has this to say about it:

If these people want to see real war crimes, they could do worse than watch Hamas’s own footage of the racist terror it inflicted on the innocents of Israel. And yet, according to Katz, they turned a ‘blind eye’ to those war crimes. They looked away from the screen. His allegations are being widely reported in Israel and beyond.

Self-styled warriors for human rights refusing to watch one of the bloodiest assaults on human rights of the 21st century so far? Implacable anti-racists turning away from the worst act of anti-Jewish racism since the Nazis? If this is true, then it surely speaks to a profound moral blindness among the activist class, where they will sympathise with suffering humans everywhere except in Israel.

We await comment from Greta and the rest about whether they ‘refused’ to watch – and if so, why. To my mind, if this shunning of truth did occur, then it is of a piece with the left’s agonised and sometimes outright shameful attitude towards 7 October.

Greta and Co would only have been doing physically what the ‘pro-Palestine’ set has been doing morally for nearly two years: refusing to grapple with the enormity of what Hamas did to the Jews on that darkest day.

The activist set has a truly tortured relationship with 7 October. Some deny it, in a gross rehash of Holocaust denialism. It’s exaggerated, they cry. Women weren’t raped, they claim. Others say it was ‘resistance’. ‘This didn’t start on 7 October’, they snivellingly say, as if Hamas’s fascistic actions, its slaughter of Jewish women and burning alive of Jewish families, were an ‘understandable’ response to Israeli policy. The last people who thought a pogrom was a legitimate response to political grievance were the Nazis.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-question-greta-thunberg-must-answer-about-her-gaza-selfie-ship-jaunt/

Reading this and then the post further up where an 'activist ' denies women were raped on October 7th, but were 'treated well' by Hamas disgust me. How were Shani Louk or Mrs Bibas treated well.

Those performative 'activists' are sick, how dare they deny the crimes of October 7th, they cannot even be bothered to watch details to check their lack if knowledge. They are pathetic. If they were genuine they would allow the aid to be taken and passed on as authorities have suggested.

stomachamelon · 29/09/2025 10:00

@soulofmysoulwhat ideally would you like to happen now? Regarding the flotilla?

Everexpanding · 29/09/2025 10:04

Twiglets1 · 29/09/2025 06:12

It’s just their rhetoric often repeated that we want Palestinians to suffer.

Of course we don’t and why would we? It doesn’t help Israel one jot for Palestinians to suffer, only for Hamas to be destroyed.

If the Israeli government does not want Palestinians to suffer why block medical aid ?

Most people are just toughing it out’: shortage of drugs leaves Gaza’s wounded without pain relief
Operations are being carried out without proper anaesthetics and what painkillers there are have to be rationed, say doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/29/most-people-are-just-toughing-it-out-shortage-of-drugs-leaves-gazas-wounded-without-pain-relief

‘Most people are just toughing it out’: shortage of drugs leaves Gaza’s wounded without pain relief

Operations are being carried out without proper anaesthetics and what painkillers there are have to be rationed, say doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/29/most-people-are-just-toughing-it-out-shortage-of-drugs-leaves-gazas-wounded-without-pain-relief

Everexpanding · 29/09/2025 10:10

Why does it restrict baby formula?