Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

I couldn't have predicted someone using an anti Nazi preacher who was actually hanged for his involvement in a plot to kill Hitler as defence for Greta's self publicizing 'symbolic' Futilla but this is where we find ourselves and I'm here for it.

Did you ever watch Mitchell and Webb @dairydebris

Not Mitchell and Webb but used to love Peep Show, why?

Greta hits back: "No one would risk their lives for a publicity stunt"

Asked in an interview with Laura Kuenssberg on the BBC about the accusations, Ms Thunberg said: “First of all I don’t think anyone would risk their lives for a publicity stunt. Second of all, if you think its a publicity stunt have you asked people in Gaza if they consider this a publicity stunt?”

They say the flotilla is the largest attempt to date to break Israel’s maritime blockade of the Gaza Strip, which has now lasted 18 years. Israel says the blockade is needed to prevent Hamas from importing arms, but critics consider it collective punishment.

The Israeli foreign ministry has proposed that the activists unload their aid in the Israeli port of Ashkelon for it to be transported into Gaza and said it will “not allow the breach of a lawful naval blockade”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/greta-thunberg-gaza-flotilla-b2835218.html

What reason did Greta give for refusing to watch the October 7th video?

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ocha-remarks-24sep25/
this is what people on here think is a big joke

You seem to have made up your mind so I doubt there's much point responding, but here goes. I'm slightly acquainted with one person on the flotilla. She is a lesbian feminist , socialist and atheist. She therefore is not a Hamas supporter and has little time for any religion.

Has she been in touch recently to advise how's it is going?

Was she on one of the boats that had a bomb or flare land on it (depending on who's descriptions are believed)?

Thanks

Well, its filled up by bingo card, put it that way. OMG. Invoking Bonhoeffer. You could absolutely write the script.

Has she been in touch recently to advise how's it is going?

Was she on one of the boats that had a bomb or flare land on it (depending on who's descriptions are believed)?

Thanks

So even though the pope and Israel will facilitate the aid being delivered to Gaza it is still more important or symbolic for them to be allowed to sail in. Do people honestly think that will happen with no danger to the flotilla or concern for safety?

Apart from Hamas there are several groups in Gaza and you think your friend @Abhannmoror Greta will be left alone…. To waltz in and then leave again? Did you see when Hamas released the hostages? And there were armed men and the Red Cross there? I don’t know if people are being purposefully naive. They would be collateral. Useful idiots indeed.

I read the article in the guardian overnight and the peace plan appears to have gained traction. Anything that jeopardises this is an unwelcome distraction. Did you see the last attempt that Greta made. Big Kermit hat and grinning at the soldier giving her the sandwich. It’s almost as though this is a game. Let’s see what happens anyway.

Just to be clear. I dont think the situation in Gaza is a big joke, obviously, its quite the opposite.

The flutilla is the joke.

Comparing a hero of the resistance to the Nazis who was actually executed for his part in an extremely brave ( secret ) plot to assassinate Hitler ( and to refer to these actions as ' speaking out ' ) to a ship of publicity seeking celebrities who are bringing 'symbolic' aid and who will be rescued, given sandwiches and sent on their way- thats also joke.

Happy to post her whole interview. She is a delight..

Oh dear, there's stupid and then there's a whole new level of stupid. That's the sort of vile response that flooded the MN forum after 7/10. It's hard to imagine anyone so awful, but they do exist.

I suppose she thinks Hamas are sexy freedom fighters.

I doubt Hamas will do anything bad to Greta and her crew. Quite the contrary, they have them all by the nose-ring. Some kind of whistle-stop tour perhaps, with everything carefully arranged and a warm welcome from their best diplomats?

The threat to the futilla's safety is not directly from Hamas, I don't think, but possibly from Hamas ensuring they put them in harm's way by using them as a shield for covert operations, just as they have with aid convoys, children, hospitals, etc. They will relish putting Israel in this impossible situation. Whether Greta et al are actively colluding or as naive as someone agreeing to carry a stranger's suitcase from an airport in Colombia, we'll probably never know.

To my knowledge (please someone correct me if they know otherwise) Greta has never spoken about why she and the others refused to watch the video.

An article by Brendan O' Neill dated June 25 has this to say about it:

If these people want to see real war crimes, they could do worse than watch Hamas’s own footage of the racist terror it inflicted on the innocents of Israel. And yet, according to Katz, they turned a ‘blind eye’ to those war crimes. They looked away from the screen. His allegations are being widely reported in Israel and beyond.

Self-styled warriors for human rights refusing to watch one of the bloodiest assaults on human rights of the 21st century so far? Implacable anti-racists turning away from the worst act of anti-Jewish racism since the Nazis? If this is true, then it surely speaks to a profound moral blindness among the activist class, where they will sympathise with suffering humans everywhere except in Israel.

We await comment from Greta and the rest about whether they ‘refused’ to watch – and if so, why. To my mind, if this shunning of truth did occur, then it is of a piece with the left’s agonised and sometimes outright shameful attitude towards 7 October.

Greta and Co would only have been doing physically what the ‘pro-Palestine’ set has been doing morally for nearly two years: refusing to grapple with the enormity of what Hamas did to the Jews on that darkest day.

The activist set has a truly tortured relationship with 7 October. Some deny it, in a gross rehash of Holocaust denialism. It’s exaggerated, they cry. Women weren’t raped, they claim. Others say it was ‘resistance’. ‘This didn’t start on 7 October’, they snivellingly say, as if Hamas’s fascistic actions, its slaughter of Jewish women and burning alive of Jewish families, were an ‘understandable’ response to Israeli policy. The last people who thought a pogrom was a legitimate response to political grievance were the Nazis.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-question-greta-thunberg-must-answer-about-her-gaza-selfie-ship-jaunt/

100% this

As of yesterday she said they are still 400 miles odd from Gaza. Yes there was some sort of non lethal drone attack. It dropped some foul smelling gunk. Personally I don't think it matters how they relate to what's left of Hamas , as they won't be allowed to drop the aid off anyway.

Maybe the biggest risk to them all is each other. So many personality disorders trapped together on small boats, hard to imagine how life must be on board...

I agree it must be punishing being trapped on a boat for weeks with each other... nothing to talk about but all the people you hate ... adding each other to the list as the days go on and on ... must be tough.

Greta IS great. She is a fantastic young woman. Snarking about her just shows up and diminishes the person doing the snarking, it doesn’t stop her from being great.

Why do you think she didn't watch the film of 7 October?

Why should she have?

Well I think a 'great person' might have honoured the victims of that atrocity by bearing witness to it.

Don't you think someone who has made it her personal mission to vilify Israel should have at least mild curiosity about understanding how war was visited upon them, and what kind of war?

Or do you think she would dismiss it as Hasbara? Do you?

To give her an understanding of why there is a legal blockade of Gaza for a start!

Maybe she isn't aware?

She could have seen what the Palestinians who managed to breach the blockade on land enjoyed and celebrated doing, up close and personal, when they had the opportunity to attack Israel without Israel having the protection of the Iron Dome.

Do you think the people on the flotilla, especially the women, would be a bit wary of entering Gaza if they saw the atrocities that were carried out not only by Hamas but other terrorist factions and by civilians too on Oct 7th, and the reaction of Palestinian civilians to them?

It wasn't only Jewish people or Israeli civilians who were slaughtered.

Why do they think they would have some sort of immunity from the type of savagery some Palestinians are clearly capable of?

Hamas torture and murder their own civilians too, not only Israelis and Jewish people.

I don't think the IDF should have to waste precious time dealing with a hundreds of delusional idiots in party boats trying to enter a warzone, or risk their lives saving them from the dangerous consequences of their actions.