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To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

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ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 20:03

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force
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anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 11:50

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 08:36

“It's not Israel starving 2 million people. It's aid not being distributed.”

Referring to the photographs and videos of starving babies:
“The ones being exploited clearly have genetic issues and medical problems.”
“These dc with obvious genetic and medical abnormalities are being exploited.”

“Hamas apparently enjoying watching their supporters suffer whilst some lap it all up and blame it on Israel.”

All dangerous, dehumanising and false misinformation.

I can’t believe comments like these, from the same few posters, are allowed to stand. If posts said this about Israeli children they would be removed instantly. This is how genocide denial spreads.

Agreed. I asked MNHQ to explain why posts denying atrocities of 7/10 or claiming elements of it were exaggerated have (quite rightly) been deleted, while posts claiming that the starvation in Gaza is being faked or exaggerated (with a poster even saying the parents are not an unhealthy weight so they are lying about their babies being starved) have been left to stand.

They said the former broke talk guidelines, but if that’s the case then the latter does too by definition.

It doesn’t make any sense. I’ll update when I hear back.

anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 11:55

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 11:33

'Would the IDF in a thousand years admit to causing a famine in Gaza? If not then their denials aren't really credible.'

Why would they want to cause a famine?! The aid is there, the un and hamas need to get it out. Why is the un so utterly useless?

It is far more beneficial for hamas to make gazans suffer then blame it on Israel isn't it, as we are seeing some people fall for it. What possible reason does Israel have to starve people?

Did you really just ask why they would want to cause a famine in Gaza?

Voxon · 25/07/2025 11:57

Wardrobeneutral · 25/07/2025 11:41

I'm not going to debate this. No one believes that Israel couldn't fix this issue if it wanted to. The rest is irrelevant.

And while I'm here, (I've broken a self-imposed ban on commenting on things on the internet which I will revert to after this post), going back to an earlier poster I agree that Israel has destroyed its future with this war. The younger western generation have mainly a negative view of Israel which will tell in 20-30 years as they rise into positions of power. The members of the IDF will never recover themselves from what they will have done and seen in Gaza. And the demographic time bomb of the religious right which has already resulted in the prolonged nature of this conflict will tear the country apart internally and lose it liberal Jewish support externally.

I believe that in 20 or 30 years, the world will look back on this period with deep shame and disbelief - that it once romanticised jihadist groups openly committed to a second Holocaust.

People will eventually come to terms with how deeply antisemitism distorted the moral compass of international institutions, media, and even humanitarian organisations - some of which, incredibly, ended up complicit not only in the demonisation of a sovereign nation but, in some cases, in aiding or justifying terrorism itself. Many who today defend or excuse these actions will likely pretend they never did.

The truth always outs eventually. I've never seen any situation so mired with untruth, historical distortion or false narratives as this one, but 20 or 30 years from now absolutely nobody will be pretending Hamas we're trying to "Free Palestine".

The idea that Israel “destroyed its future” with this war is absurd. Israel’s future, had it done nothing, was made crystal clear: endless terror attacks, mass hostage-takings, and a relentless campaign of war crimes until someone, somewhere, decided to put a stop to it. The international community, especially the UN, had the tools to intervene early - yet chose not to. That choice has consequences.

In time, the illusion surrounding Hamas will fall away. People will see it for what it is: a violent, theocratic cult led by corrupt billionaires who openly pursue the eradication of Jews as part of a self-declared holy war. A group that could have saved countless civilian lives at any moment, but deliberately chose not to, because they believed those lives were more useful lost than saved.

History will not look kindly on those who enabled that strategy, nor on those who ignored the reality of what this conflict is about. The cause of Hamas isn't a just one. It never was. And it favours nobody less than regular Palestinian people. The west has thoroughly bungled this and as sad as it is, they did the same less than 100 years ago.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:13

Voxon · 25/07/2025 11:57

I believe that in 20 or 30 years, the world will look back on this period with deep shame and disbelief - that it once romanticised jihadist groups openly committed to a second Holocaust.

People will eventually come to terms with how deeply antisemitism distorted the moral compass of international institutions, media, and even humanitarian organisations - some of which, incredibly, ended up complicit not only in the demonisation of a sovereign nation but, in some cases, in aiding or justifying terrorism itself. Many who today defend or excuse these actions will likely pretend they never did.

The truth always outs eventually. I've never seen any situation so mired with untruth, historical distortion or false narratives as this one, but 20 or 30 years from now absolutely nobody will be pretending Hamas we're trying to "Free Palestine".

The idea that Israel “destroyed its future” with this war is absurd. Israel’s future, had it done nothing, was made crystal clear: endless terror attacks, mass hostage-takings, and a relentless campaign of war crimes until someone, somewhere, decided to put a stop to it. The international community, especially the UN, had the tools to intervene early - yet chose not to. That choice has consequences.

In time, the illusion surrounding Hamas will fall away. People will see it for what it is: a violent, theocratic cult led by corrupt billionaires who openly pursue the eradication of Jews as part of a self-declared holy war. A group that could have saved countless civilian lives at any moment, but deliberately chose not to, because they believed those lives were more useful lost than saved.

History will not look kindly on those who enabled that strategy, nor on those who ignored the reality of what this conflict is about. The cause of Hamas isn't a just one. It never was. And it favours nobody less than regular Palestinian people. The west has thoroughly bungled this and as sad as it is, they did the same less than 100 years ago.

If history looks back in shame, it won’t be for “romanticising jihadists”, it’ll be for justifying the mass starvation and slaughter of civilians under the false excuse that every baby was a terrorist shield.

PaxAeterna · 25/07/2025 12:20

Voxon · 25/07/2025 10:50

That response completely misunderstands how censorship works under authoritarian regimes, especially in Gaza, where Hamas maintains tight, low-tech control over journalists and information flow.

No one is claiming Hamas uses “advanced IP tracking” or spy satellites. That’s a strawman.

All local journalists in Gaza are known to Hamas. They are required to register with the government press office to operate legally. This isn’t some shadowy surveillance network, it’s a paper list, and anyone who steps out of line risks losing their credentials, facing intimidation, or worse.

There is well documented and undisputed evidence showing Hamas use violence, imprisonment, threats, torture and even murder against journalists who will not comply. The same applies to all journalists, even if working for foreign media.

Visiting foreign journalists are escorted, monitored, and often rely on local fixers who are themselves under Hamas pressure. The moment a fixer is threatened or jailed, the foreign journalist loses access - or learns to self-censor. That's a best-case, as foreign journalists have openly reported their lives being threatened if they tell the truth.

For example journalists in gaza were threatened not to report on the anti hamas protests that tool place recently. Similarly foreign journalists who witnessed Hamas firing missiles from civilian sites like hospitals during the last intifada were threatened, one so seriously he took time to conceal his identity.

There are documented cases of journalists being beaten or detained for covering anti-Hamas protests or interviewing the “wrong” people. Several Gaza-based reporters have spoken out after fleeing, describing harassment, threats, and constant fear of retaliation. See the Committee to Protect Journalists and Reporters Without Borders, this isn’t speculation.

Even raw footage “on patchy internet” doesn’t make it out cleanly. If Hamas sees it circulating and links it to someone locally, that person may be punished. And people know it. That’s how censorship works: not by constant arrests, but by creating a climate of fear where people censor themselves.

So yes - Hamas doesn’t need advanced tech to control the press. It just needs fear, proximity, and total authority. And in Gaza, it has all three.

I agree with you that there are reports of Hamas restricting what journalists can say. However I’m not following your foreign journalist argument as only a very limited amount of journalists under IDf escort have entered Gaza this time. You’re also not telling the full story, you’re completely leaving out how Israel has attempted to affect the press coming out of Gaza. A summary of the situation could be;

Israel has banned nearly all foreign journalists from Gaza with no unsupervised reporting. News sources are therefore relying on local journalists. 200 of which have been killed by the IDF. There is evidence that Hamas put serious restrictions on what journalists can report on. So they are truly targeted from both sides and doing an incredibly dangerous job.

That doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of Gaza is propaganda. We are also hearing real stories from the mouths of genuine people. It does mean that extra care should be taken to verify important information. And international reporters should be allowed into Gaza.

Voxon · 25/07/2025 12:49

PaxAeterna · 25/07/2025 12:20

I agree with you that there are reports of Hamas restricting what journalists can say. However I’m not following your foreign journalist argument as only a very limited amount of journalists under IDf escort have entered Gaza this time. You’re also not telling the full story, you’re completely leaving out how Israel has attempted to affect the press coming out of Gaza. A summary of the situation could be;

Israel has banned nearly all foreign journalists from Gaza with no unsupervised reporting. News sources are therefore relying on local journalists. 200 of which have been killed by the IDF. There is evidence that Hamas put serious restrictions on what journalists can report on. So they are truly targeted from both sides and doing an incredibly dangerous job.

That doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of Gaza is propaganda. We are also hearing real stories from the mouths of genuine people. It does mean that extra care should be taken to verify important information. And international reporters should be allowed into Gaza.

However I’m not following your foreign journalist argument as only a very limited amount of journalists under IDf escort have entered Gaza this time.
This time. When press were allowed in they were open in saying they faced strict instructions and even personal threats. Similarly no member of an NGO would be allowed to stay and work there unless they were willing to go along with Hamas.

Israel has banned nearly all foreign journalists from Gaza with no unsupervised reporting.
Thats true. It has nothing at all to do with my point that there is no freedom of press in Gaza and that therefore by definition every journalist is, willingly or unwillingly, only reporting the Hamas narrative.

News sources are therefore relying on local journalists. 200 of which have been killed by the IDF.
I take this information with a great deal of skepticism, having seen evidence that many of these journalists were involved with Hamas or actively participating as combatants. Hamas is keen to make it look like Israel is targeting "journslists", but many are simply not journalists. The reason we protect journalists especially in the west is that they often bare the dangerous task of speaking truth to power. That is not so in Gaza. Many journalists are complicit with Hamas, often living privileged lives for doing so- they are part of the regime.

There is evidence that Hamas put serious restrictions on what journalists can report on. So they are truly targeted from both sides and doing an incredibly dangerous job.
If you want to know who journalists in Gaza feel under threat from, look at who they are scared to criticise.

That doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of Gaza is propaganda.
It means that all journalism is.

We are also hearing real stories from the mouths of genuine people.
Some yes. You are also hearing things positioned as real stories but which are actually organised propaganda. You are also restricted from hearing from "real people" and "genuine stories" because this is a highly censored and dangerous regime. Hence you never hear "genuine people" saying things like - my neighbour is a Hamas member and brought back a hostage on his motorbike or I think we should make peace with Israel or Hamas shoot missiles from my hospital or I think we should overthrow Hamas.

Because it's likely that those genuine stories would result in someone getting tortured or even lynched.

My point is that the voice from Gaza is not the voice of truth or even the voice of the people of Gaza.

Radioundermypillow · 25/07/2025 13:33

Wouldn't it be freeing to have a place where you could express your horror and revulsion about what is happening in Gaza without being harangued to provide links and evidence for your own emotional reaction.

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:19

Radioundermypillow · 25/07/2025 13:33

Wouldn't it be freeing to have a place where you could express your horror and revulsion about what is happening in Gaza without being harangued to provide links and evidence for your own emotional reaction.

It is of course fine to express horror and revulsion at the suffering.

The problem is we differ in who we believe are responsible. A terrorist organisation who have form for torturing and murdering its own people or a civilised army who are trying to get rid of said terrorist organisation and have provided the aid that is sat waiting to be distributed?

Martymcfly24 · 25/07/2025 14:25

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:19

It is of course fine to express horror and revulsion at the suffering.

The problem is we differ in who we believe are responsible. A terrorist organisation who have form for torturing and murdering its own people or a civilised army who are trying to get rid of said terrorist organisation and have provided the aid that is sat waiting to be distributed?

Do you think Israel provided the aid that is currently piled up at the border?

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:36

Martymcfly24 · 25/07/2025 14:25

Do you think Israel provided the aid that is currently piled up at the border?

Whichever countries and charities have provided the aid, the point is it is there. The IDF took foreign correspondents to the sites to prove it. The un and hamas need to get their arses in gear and get it out instead of blaming Israel for gazans suffering.

Martymcfly24 · 25/07/2025 14:46

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:36

Whichever countries and charities have provided the aid, the point is it is there. The IDF took foreign correspondents to the sites to prove it. The un and hamas need to get their arses in gear and get it out instead of blaming Israel for gazans suffering.

Sorry I thought we didn't trust the UN but we do now. So hard to keep up who we have to blame this week instead of Israel.

Thanks for clarifying that id hate anyone to be under the illusion that Israel is actually providing the aid instead of just blocking it.

legalseagull · 25/07/2025 15:02

The IDF would shoot them and claim “Hamas”

Radioundermypillow · 25/07/2025 15:16

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:19

It is of course fine to express horror and revulsion at the suffering.

The problem is we differ in who we believe are responsible. A terrorist organisation who have form for torturing and murdering its own people or a civilised army who are trying to get rid of said terrorist organisation and have provided the aid that is sat waiting to be distributed?

I don't give a fuck actually. YOU are obsessed with trying to 'prove' who is responsible and to absolve the Israeli government of any blame.

Both Hamas and the Israeli government are monsters. My empathy is with the people of Gaza.

Although I think it is fair to say that the Israeli government have committed the biggest PR fail in recent memory.

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 15:29

'Both Hamas and the Israeli government are monsters. My empathy is with the people of Gaza'

Hamas are terrorists, it's what they do torture and murder even their own. The IDF is an army trying to get rid of them. I wonder if any of the civilians who housed the hostages regret it now?

Radioundermypillow · 25/07/2025 15:30

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 15:29

'Both Hamas and the Israeli government are monsters. My empathy is with the people of Gaza'

Hamas are terrorists, it's what they do torture and murder even their own. The IDF is an army trying to get rid of them. I wonder if any of the civilians who housed the hostages regret it now?

I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 15:34

Radioundermypillow · 25/07/2025 15:30

I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

Well I pity people who lap up all the drivel that hamas spin while their own people suffer.

anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 16:05

Just to be clear @Gloriiais it your position that you don’t believe that it’s not true that one in five children in Gaza city are malnourished or that there are children starving to death in Gaza?

Or do you believe it’s true, but just place the blame solely with Hamas rather than Israel?

Just trying to clarify your position as I’m unclear whether you believe it’s happening at all.

anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 16:29

Sorry u used a double negative accidentally there. For clarity, my question is:

Just to be clear @Gloriiais it your position that you don’t believe it’s true that one in five children in Gaza city are malnourished or that there are children starving to death in Gaza?

Or do you believe it’s true, but just place the blame solely with Hamas rather than Israel?

Just trying to clarify your position as I’m unclear whether you believe it’s happening at all.

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 16:54

anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 16:05

Just to be clear @Gloriiais it your position that you don’t believe that it’s not true that one in five children in Gaza city are malnourished or that there are children starving to death in Gaza?

Or do you believe it’s true, but just place the blame solely with Hamas rather than Israel?

Just trying to clarify your position as I’m unclear whether you believe it’s happening at all.

We know life is challenging in gaza, we know supplies for some reason aren't been distributed as they should. Hamas and the un need to fix that.

Malnourishment is common sadly in every warzone, look at Yemen and Syria. However I don't believe that the IDF are orchestrating a famine, hoping that children suffer. You mustn't believe everything that the hamas led health ministries tell you.

anytipswelcome · 25/07/2025 17:01

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 16:54

We know life is challenging in gaza, we know supplies for some reason aren't been distributed as they should. Hamas and the un need to fix that.

Malnourishment is common sadly in every warzone, look at Yemen and Syria. However I don't believe that the IDF are orchestrating a famine, hoping that children suffer. You mustn't believe everything that the hamas led health ministries tell you.

You still haven’t really answered though. You agree life is challenging in Gaza. Do you believe that people are starving to death? Do you believe that 1 in 5 children are malnourished in Gaza city? I’m trying to understand if you’re denying the starvation is happening at all, or just challenging who is causing it?

PaxAeterna · 25/07/2025 18:09

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:19

It is of course fine to express horror and revulsion at the suffering.

The problem is we differ in who we believe are responsible. A terrorist organisation who have form for torturing and murdering its own people or a civilised army who are trying to get rid of said terrorist organisation and have provided the aid that is sat waiting to be distributed?

Do you think the aid that the UN distributes is provided by the Israeli government?

MyDearEagle · 25/07/2025 18:33

Gloriia · 25/07/2025 14:19

It is of course fine to express horror and revulsion at the suffering.

The problem is we differ in who we believe are responsible. A terrorist organisation who have form for torturing and murdering its own people or a civilised army who are trying to get rid of said terrorist organisation and have provided the aid that is sat waiting to be distributed?

From just the last couple of hours:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

BelleHathor · 25/07/2025 18:45

Perhaps after helping the Israeli Government pull the pin out of the grenade they launched in Gaza, the Americans are absolving themselves before everything explodes.

ArtfulGoldWriter · 25/07/2025 20:33

“The UK, France and Germany said on Friday afternoon that the Gaza “humanitarian catastrophe must end now” and called on Israel to “immediately lift restrictions on the flow of aid”. “Withholding essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable,” they said in a joint statement”

Literally EVERYONE knows it’s Israel causing the block on aid and facilitating starvation despite the propaganda on this thread 🙄

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PaxAeterna · 25/07/2025 20:44

ArtfulGoldWriter · 25/07/2025 20:33

“The UK, France and Germany said on Friday afternoon that the Gaza “humanitarian catastrophe must end now” and called on Israel to “immediately lift restrictions on the flow of aid”. “Withholding essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable,” they said in a joint statement”

Literally EVERYONE knows it’s Israel causing the block on aid and facilitating starvation despite the propaganda on this thread 🙄

Unacceptable, intolerable …. They are running out of descriptors!

I wish they would take some concrete action now. Time for trade agreements to be suspended and sanctions to be imposed.

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