To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

[ArtfulGoldWriter]

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

@ArtfulGoldWriter yes I know what medecin sans frontieres means, thank you and I am very familiar with NGO work. In my experience people who work for NGOs have quite a lot of choice in where they go, but then there are a lot of NGOs.

You said 'You don’t get to choose which war zone you go to.'
Not having a choice implies some sort of imperative, right?
Or do doctors who work for MSF get some choice in which particular countries?
Its a simple clarification Im after. Im interested, thats all.

As for the other point I see we're onto the implication that all doctors support Hamas. So noone actually said that, is that right? Im not interested in trawling through every post.

But the idea that doctors are neutral and not politically motivated goes against human nature and evidence.

Well maybe you should read the posts for clarification.

Because there is an insidious implication that the doctors working in Gaza are Hamas supporters because they don’t mention the hostages in every sentence- when their actual focus is to work with the Palestinian communities in need of medical support.

The clarification I am looking for is not in your posts. Do doctors who work for MSF have choice in which conflicts they go to or not?

I have already answered your question. Doctors are placed according to operational need not some mad belief that they are all Hamas supporting terrorists.

More deliberate obfuscation.

But can they refuse to go somewhere or do they have to go where they are told? Do they have choice. I don't think anyone has said doctors in MSF are placed somewhere because they are terrorists, have they?
I think what has been said is that some doctors are pilitically motivated in support if one side or another. Which is undoubtedly true, surely?

Doctors that join MSF know that they are required to go where there is need and that there is risk as it’s going to be a war zone.

And it’s pure conjecture that doctors are politically motivated in one direction or another.

Most doctors in MSF that I have met are doing it out of a moral duty to their patients.

To say anything else is really cynical and again through the current lens of ‘anyone in Gaza works for Hamas/ should mention the hostages in every other sentence’

'As for the other point I see we're onto the implication that all doctors support Hamas. So noone actually said that, is that right? Im not interested in trawling through every post.'

That is correct, I certainly haven't suggested they are pro hamas. What I have said is the last 3 I've seen being interviewed talk freely about their thoughts on this and that, what someone told them happened in this drone strike or what injuries someone else told them they'd seen yet are strangely silent on their thoughts on the suffering of the hostages which they surely have heard about?

Strangely all 3 had zilch to say about terrorists running the place. They didn't see them you see so, what can you do?

I have friends in medicins sans frontieres. Yes, they’re sent to places based on need. Yes, they’re human- but they’re trained to uphold medical neutrality and provide care impartially, even in the most dangerous and politically charged situations.

MSF, in particular, operates under strict principles of independence, neutrality, and impartiality. Its staff risk their lives daily in war zones, natural disasters etc. often treating patients from all sides of a conflict. Many are killed.

Not at all. Its a factual clarification which you are unable or unwilling to give. You are also appear to be unwilling to entertain that MSF doctors have political opinions that influence their work. To question that is not to say that everyone in Gaza works for Hamas. And noone has said the hostages should be mentioned in every sentence.

Like we have been saying- neutral, impartial, based on need https://msf.org.uk

'and again through the current lens of ‘anyone in Gaza works for Hamas/ should mention the hostages in every other sentence'

Not every other sentence no. Just once would be refreshing, it would demonstrate a bit of neutrality.

@SharonEllis did you miss this post? It's pretty clear here "you cannot choose a specific location" I'm sure though like with everything in life you can choose not to go

If you look at Nick Maynard on X all his posts are pro gaza. He even wears a keffiyeh in one speech! How on earth can these people go on telly to give their account of what people allegedly told them when their allegiance is so very clear from social media

In good news though a gazan 'evacuee' has been expelled from France https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250801-france-halts-intake-of-gazans-over-student-s-antisemitic-posts for her antisemitic comments so some people take notice of sm crap.

@SharonEllis You’re effectively arguing that ALL of the doctors interviewed have secret political motivations. Noone has claimed that MSF doctors don’t have political opinions- they’re human, of course they do. But the difference is that they are trained to treat everyone regardless of politics,they operate under strict standards of medical neutrality. That’s why they’re trusted enough to work in war zones- by both sides.

If you have actual evidence that MSF’s medical findings in Gaza are fabricated or politically manipulated, share it. But questioning their credibility without addressing what they’ve witnessed: mass casualties, blocked aid, starvation, surgeries without anaesthetic- doesn’t clarify anything.

to give their account of what people allegedly told them

Injuries don't lie.

”The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

“I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

Grossman’s comments come days after two major Israeli rights groups said Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, amid growing global alarm over starvation in the besieged territory.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza

Well who inflicted them is very questionable in gaza. You do know terrorists are running the show and shooting their own people over aid?! Oh but keffiyeh wearing Maynard knows exactly who the culprits are as someone told him.

You do know terrorists are running the show and shooting their own people over aid?!

Do we? Terrorists running the show? What has the IDF been doing these past 20 months. Any evidence they're running the show or just more conjecture from you

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-aid-seekers-make-up-quarter-of-all-killed-in-gaza-since-ghf-operation-began

Hmmm…

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250730-exclusive-ghf-complicit-in-war-crimes-in-gaza-says-former-aid-contractor

Hmmm…

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250730-exclusive-ghf-complicit-in-war-crimes-in-gaza-says-former-aid-contractor

Running the show regarding aid once in gaza. Have you seen their selfies of them eating all the pies in their tunnels?

Oh God not Aguilera again. Hasn't he been widely discredited as a sacked contract worker with a massive axe to grind?

Behind a paywall but the gist is in the title

oh ok, another discredited source to add to the doctors, aid agencies and everyone else in Gaza right?

Bar of course the IDF and Israeli government obvs

Sorry it’s been well established now that the main group (Abu Shabab) that was stealing aid and shooting civilians was a clan that was actually armed and funded by Israel.

Reports of this family violently looting as the IDF stood back and watched were appearing in November 2024 - but then the Israeli government used aid being looted as a reason to cut off aid to the region. So they paid and armed the looters and then said we are not allowing in aid because of looting - a little string pulling there don’t you think? In recent months Netanyahu admitted that he did in fact arm and fund this terror group, just as Israel once armed and funded Hamas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/18/gaza-looting-aid-convoys-israel-famine/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-accused-of-arming-palestinian-gang-who-allegedly-looted-aid-in-gaza

Don't worry Aguilar is the first of many. He was the first to go "on the record". Others are waiting to come forward.

Those trying to discredit him even faked an arrest. Thankfully someone local who lives in the same town physically went down to check the public records.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1951427152835924062.html