To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

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Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

The thing is, why would Israel stop?

They have the power and they are enjoying it.

So you are trained in military strategy with intimiate knowledge specifically regarding the Gaza’s tunnel system and the problem with civilian assistance? Clearly you believe that taking out all of Hamas wouldn’t be that hard. You instead believe the Israeli army would prefer to leave Hamas alive and their hostages lost. You have no basis for this other than ‘war is not done’ and ‘Israel (no one in particular- just the entire of Israel I suppose) are enjoying the war!’

Compare it to the US/ Taliban situation. The US and allied forces couldn’t entirely defeat the Taliban partly because of this form of warfare which relies on intimate knowledge of the land and civilian assistance.

I meant as an independent state. The Palestinians need their own state.

I don’t think they are enjoying it, they are losing their own. But for Israelis it’s about survival. If you leave the tunnels and you leave Hamas 7th October can happen again. It’s as simple as that.

Look, whether Israel intended to destroy Gaza or not doesn’t change the fact it’s been systematically flattened, entire towns wiped out, civilians bombed, and a horrific humanitarian crisis unfolding. That’s what matters!

Satellite images don’t lie. When Amnesty and otheers show areas razed with no fighting nearby, it’s deliberate. You don’t need to be a military strategist to see that.

And no, it’s not about “losing support” on social media. Governments have always put military aims over human lives. That’s history, not opinion.

We’re not “everyday people” here to debate tactics, we’re witnessing real people dying. Focusing on whether it’s “logical” or “strategic” misses the point: 2 million innocent civilians are suffering massively.

If you want perspective, start with the children literally starving because of blockades and bombed aid convoys.

You are absolutely correct that Israel would have the military strength to wipe out Gazan’s straight away. But the international community would have immediately not supported this, there would be many Israeli citizens who would not have supported this, there would be even those in the Israeli government who would have not supported this action.

If you read the genocide case against Israel, it is focusing on how all of tge essentials needed for life were methodically targeted quite early on. Like water systems for example. 90% of people are homeless now. So the conditions were created where large numbers of people will die.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NBjvYkNzuAA&pp=ygUSSGFtYXMgc3RlYWxpbmcgYWlk

heres another one.

For many Israelis I’m sure it is about having safety (even at a great cost to Palestinians) but it seems to me that elements in the Israeli government saw this as an opportunity for a land grab.

Anyone who can look at these heartbreaking pics of starving children and give any other response than sympathy/ outrage/ disgust/ anger has completely lost their humanity.

Putting millions of people into a camp, starving them anf then taking potshots as they queue for flour.

The very epitome of evil.

This is happening now, thinking of all those people suffering is unbearable.

Putting all politics aside, who can bloody well deny that?

Yes, there are many evils that have been committed/ are being comitted, but that does not detract from what is happening here and now on a massive scale.

Its unbearable to think about and every day I feel grateful that my children have enough to eat and live in peace.

How can you not feel sorry for these children? Especially when you have children of similar ages, it's unspeakable

Israel’s response to October 7th is not proportional- it’s a brutal campaign of collective punishment. Ambulances with flashing emergency lights have been attacked. Essential aid, food, water, medicine has been blocked from crossing Gaza’s borders for months. Hospitals and refugee camps have been bombed, causing massive civilian casualties. Independent monitors and journalists have been barred from entering, erasing any transparency.

These actions violate multiple international laws, including the Geneva Conventions. They won’t make Israel safer- they will only fuel more hatred and violence.

For over 70 years, there has been no genuine effort from Israel to establish peace or justice for Palestinians. Instead, there’s been ongoing land annexation, military occupation, and systemic oppression.

Israel could have chosen a targeted, intelligence-based campaign against Hamas. It could have cut off funding and weapons streams. It could have worked toward ending occupation and promoting human rights.

Instead, millions of innocent civilians, men, women, children are paying the price for a brutal, indiscriminate strategy.

This is not security. It’s state violence.

we are actually in the day and age where images are very much capable of lying. Sources can also be biased. You do need to be a military strategist to think your opinion is at all informed when you comment on war. What everyday people have deduced from internet images is not something that should be treated as true without question.

So if you believe military aims comes before humans lives to essentially every country then why would Israel not completed this supposed aims already? There is no logic behind arguing that Isreal have decided to slowly destroy the entirety of Palestine and its people. There’s no basis for that argument other than relying on the fact there has been significant damage. Damage which could have questionable causes?

We are everyday people and the conversation about Palestine gets its credibility tarnished when people suggest things like Isreal are relishing in the intentional slow murder of all Palestinians or power. It silly to say logic or strategy missed the point when I’ve said that in response to strange claims on here.

The life and deaths of Palestinian people are not emotive draw points to be used online to further trivial debates between everyday people. It almost disrespects the severity of it.

Checking out because the conversation has turned unhelpful for the overall conversation. Night everyone!

Look, I’m not claiming to be a military expert- but neither are most people making wildly inaccurate excuses for what’s happening. Satellite images and reports from Amnesty, the UN, and WHO aren’t “just internet gossip.” They’re credible evidence of systematic destruction and a devastating humanitarian crisis.

Whether or not Israel’s intent was to destroy Gaza entirely doesn’t change the fact that they’ve bombed hospitals, blocked aid, and flattened entire neighborhoods. The damage is real, the suffering is real, and ignoring that doesn’t make it less true. Nearly 20,000 children have died.

This isn’t about online arguments or “emotive soundbites.” It’s about millions of innocent people facing war crimes and starvation right now. That deserves more than skepticism- it deserves urgent attention.

If that’s “unhelpful,” then so be it.

Absolute tosh

I really wish I knew what to do to help.
Can't the warring factions see that these people look as though they are in concentration camps ?

Israel have actually said that they want to herd the Palestinians into camps or ‘holding centres’ to facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. It’s all intentional.

Its live streamed genocide while the world stands by and does nothing. I find it unbearable.

And this is about a week on from the anniversary of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia.

Very much agree with this post and feel much the same way.

I don't "blame" ordinary Gazans for Hamas because I don't think most had any power in the matter (though I do blame those individuals that actively support Hamas and celebrated 7/10 and mocked the hostages being released).

I agree that starving the Gazan population is morally wrong. I gave Israel the benefit of the doubt re the GHF for a long time but it's fair to say at this point that it isn't working and isn't safe.

I've always said that Israel should not have blocked humanitarian aid coming into Gaza, though I did understand their reasons were linked to Hamas stealing the aid and then selling it as an income stream. Still, they shouldn't have blocked humanitarian aid until they had a viable alternative and unfortunately the GHF has proved not to be that viable alternative.

Mainly, the war has to end. The first step will probably be a 60 day ceasefire and I think this is where diplomatic efforts should be concentrated - on putting pressure on both sides to agree terms.

Well the war hadn't happened when they voted Netanyahu in and he is unpopular & likely to be voted out at the next election so there's that.

He has been committing crimes long before this war.

What "war crimes" was he guilty of - because that was the accusation I responded to.

Are you seriously suggesting it's not happening?
The adults will be outsiders.

Funnily enough my parents were very anti-Irish. I think they’d been brought up and taught certain things as facts and biased news reporting had done the rest. I was then brought up accepting the same things as truths and I was embarrassingly old when I began to question this narrative - clearly not a great critical thinker! But I often think on a much greater scale this is what it must be like being brought up in Isreal - being taught certain things as truths and not having a catalyst to challenge these views.

Theres other parallels too in that propaganda and biased education have played a huge role in people’s misunderstanding of the situation. If I told you about some country in the Middle East where the army fires rubber bullets, live ammo, water cannons and gas at its own citizens you’d think it was wrong but how many people feel Bloody Sunday was justified.

one side had the covert backing of the British government and the money that comes with that.

Historically British fucking about in other people’s business was still creating a problem many years later (absentee landlords).

One side believed they were being colonised and then were labelled terrorists when they tried to fight their oppressors. Terrorism thrives when people are treated like shit.

Hopefully a final parallel we’ll see is that it wasn’t solved with bullets and bombs but discourse and the bravery of people on both sides who were able to see outside of their belief systems and work together for a the greater good. We almost saw this with Arafat and Rabin but it wasn’t to be, hopefully we’ll get there again.

And I was responding to the blithe suggestion that the broken Gazan people should just overthrow Hamas, and pointing out that the Israelis also have a criminal for a leader but don't seem able to overthrow him either. Even though I know many Israelis would like to.

Ok but you haven't given any examples of how Netanyahu was a "war criminal" before the war so that helps to explain why the Israelis voted him in before the war. But probably won't vote him in again as he isn't popular in Israel now as you note. They are a democracy so don't "overthrow" their leaders, they vote them out.